Nov 09, 2026 Parks Board

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ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY. IT IS 6:00 ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH. AND WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS LAKE MILLS PARKS BOARD TO ORDER. IF WE CAN START OUT WITH A ROLL CALL, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

TYLER STARTED OUT. MIKE ELDER HERE. JACOB SLABY PRESENT. LISA KERLER HERE. PRESENT. ALL RIGHT.

[3. Parks Board Minutes: Review and Approval of October 12, 2026, minutes.]

MEMBERS WHO AREN'T PRESENT CAN STILL VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND I

[4. Constituent Correspondence.]

CORRESPONDENCE. BUT ROTARY PARK AND THE CLOSING OF THE BATHROOMS AND TRASH CANS BEFORE THE LAST SOCCER GAME OR SOCCER SATURDAY. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT WITH BRIAN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THERE. SO YOU GOT A CONTACT ABOUT THAT, TYLER. OKAY. ALL

[5. Other Public Comments. ]

I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO SAY. MY NAME IS RANDY ANDERSON. I'M A RESIDENT AT NUMBER 39, 205 WOODLAND BEACH ROAD IN LAKE MILLS. THAT'S THE WOODLAND BEACH AREA. OUR HOME IS RIGHT ON THE LAKE AND RIGHT ON THE FENCE WITH SANDY BEACH. SO I THINK I'M ABOUT THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR TO SANDY BEACH. SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD VIEW FOR KIND OF WHAT GOES ON THERE IN AND OUT. SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SWIMMER SAFETY. I SAW ON THE AGENDA THE TOPIC ABOUT THE DISCUSSION AT BARTELS BEACH AND HAVING OBSERVED ACTIVITIES IN THE WATER AT SANDY BEACH, WE SIT WITH THE SANDY BEACH SWIM AREA ON OUR LEFT, THE WOODLAND BEACH SWIM AREA ON OUR RIGHT.

THERE'S ABOUT 170FT IN BETWEEN THE TWO, AND WE SEE BOATS DRIFTING IN. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE.

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[6. Public Works Director’s Report.]

OKAY. THE GOAL IS TO PURCHASE END OF YEAR DISCOUNTS CAN CAN BE SIGNIFICANT. SO WE'RE GOING TO LEVERAGE THAT AND TAKE DELIVERY AT A TIME WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING TO CLEAR OUT INVENTORY SO THAT WE CAN STORE IT, OBVIOUSLY UNTIL INSTALLATION TIME. SO PART OF IT IS A STRATEGIC TIMING OF PURCHASING IT AT THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO IT IN SPRING WHEN LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BUY PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, AND THIS IS ALL SET TO BE INSTALLED IN SPRING OF 2027. IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH. THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOAL IS TO HAVE AS TO DO PLAYGROUND INSTALLATION PRIOR TO THE 2027 SEASON.

SUMMER SEASON ONE OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS WITH THE COUNCIL THAT MAYBE BRIAN AND I COULD SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING AND MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE PARKS BOARD TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE IS THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST, BECAUSE SOME OF THE STRUCTURES IN PARTICULAR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, BRIAN, IF THAT'S ON THAT SAME DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME POSTS THAT JUST GO IN THE GROUND, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT. AND SO THERE WAS SOME

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YES, I'M SORRY. WE'LL BID THE. I THOUGHT I TOOK IT AS FAR AS WE WOULD DO THE INSTALL. MY APOLOGIES. OH OKAY. IT'S SO THE PRICING DOESN'T NECESSARILY. THE. YEAH. THE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS LOOKING TO BE PURCHASED THROUGH COOPERATIVE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING. AND THEN THE ACTUAL, BUT ACTUAL OTHER OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS PROJECT NEED TO BE BID BECAUSE IT'LL EXCEED THE. YEAH. THE THRESHOLD IN STATUTE FOR WHEN YOU HAVE TO BID IT. BUT THE PURCHASING OF IT IS SATISFIED THROUGH THE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT.

ESSENTIALLY, IT'S BEEN BID PRIOR JUST BY A LARGER GROUP OF ENTITIES THAN THE CITY ITSELF.

SO THERE STILL WILL BE A BIDDING COMPONENT FOR INSTALLATION AS WELL AS LIKE SURFACING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OKAY. AND THEN JUST GOING BACK TO PREVIOUS PARKS BOARD MEETING, I KNOW THAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE THAT WAS HERE SAID THAT THEY'RE FINE WITH THE STYLE OF THE PLAYGROUND, THE MAKEUP, THE LOCATION, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN IT. THERE'S A LITTLE DISCREPANCY ON THE SIZE OF THE PLAYGROUND. I KNOW THAT SOME WERE IN FAVOR OF A SMALLER PLAYGROUND. SOME WERE FINE WITH THE SIZE AS PROPOSED, SO WE CAN JUST GET THAT ON RECORD. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT. ANYTHING. WELL, THEN, MOVING ON TO RESOLUTION 2683, APPROVING THE SANDY BEACH PARK PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE. SO I THINK ALL THREE OF THESE DOCUMENTS, BESIDES THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT ARE JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE. SO THAT WAS THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION THAT WAS APPROVED. AND THEN THE SANDY BEACH PLAYGROUND LAYOUT IS THE ONE THAT BRIAN HAD ON THE SCREEN. SO THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE DECISION THAT THE COUNCIL MADE LAST WEEK TO AUTHORIZE THE PURCHASE OF THE PLAYGROUND STRUCTURES. ALL RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY VOTING ON THIS.

CORRECT. THIS WAS JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE REFERENCE. OKAY. YEAH. THIS IS WHERE IT SAYS NOT TO EXCEED $400,000. SO THAT WAS A CAP THAT THE COUNCIL PUT ON THE PURCHASE. AND MR. DALEY'S NEGOTIATING SKILLS ARE GOING TO COME IN. WELL, UNDER THAT, I'M CERTAIN OF IT. OKAY. I THINK ANY QUESTIONS? TYLER, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION JUST FOR CLARITY ON NEXT STEPS. SO IDEALLY WE HAVE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. IT'S READY TO GO, BUT TO GET TO A POINT OF BIDDING OUT THE REST OF THE SANDY BEACH PROJECT, CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME A HIGH LEVEL? WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS AND MILESTONES FOR APPROVING DESIGN? GOING OUT TO BID THOSE THINGS. SO EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE THE STRAND OF THE CITY ENGINEER AS HE IS KIND OF RUNNING SITE PLAN ON THIS, SO THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DRAFT BIDDABLE DOCUMENTS FOR WHAT OUR 2027 CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE, AND THEN THOSE EVENTUALLY GO TO CITY COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE US TO BID ON THAT PROJECT. AND THEN AFTER WE RECEIVE BIDS, IT GOES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR AWARD OF THE BID. SO IDEALLY, WE'LL GET LOTS OF WE'LL GET LOTS OF BIDS FOR A COMPETITIVE PROJECT. IN THE EVENT THAT WE DIDN'T GET ANY BIDS, WE WOULD JUST KEEP REBIDDING IT UNTIL WE GOT BIDS THAT WERE ACCEPTABLE TO US. SO THAT IS ALL GOING ON IN COORDINATION WITH THESE OTHER STEPS, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE REMAIN ON THE TIMELINE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS AIMING FOR. IT'S A FAST TIMELINE AND AN AGGRESSIVE ONE. SO THE THAT ENTIRE PROCESS WITH THE DESIGN TEAM THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS

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AND SO THAT WAS THEIR RECOMMENDATION. SO DRAKE MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR INDOOR SHOWERS. WE'D ASKED FOR SHOWERS. AND SO I THINK THAT WAS THE PLANNING TEAM RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. TO TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF BATHROOM SPACE THAT WAS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE BUILDING. AND THE IDEA WAS THAT THE SHOWERS WERE FOR INDIVIDUALS LOOKING TO WASH OFF RIGHT BEFORE AND RIGHT AFTER BEING IN THE IN THE LAKE AND NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, SHOWER SLASH CHANGING ROOMS SLASH A MORE EXPANSIVE SHOWER FACILITY. AND SO THE, THE COST OF THE RESTROOM OBVIOUSLY GOES UP AS YOU ARE ADDING FEATURES INTO IT. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS THOUGHT TO HAVE BEEN NOT AS IMPORTANT ON THE PRIORITY LIST OF WHERE RESOURCES COULD GO. WHEN OUTDOOR SHOWERS WERE THOUGHT TO HAVE BEEN ACCEPTABLE FOR THE USE NEEDS THAT WERE AT THE BEACH. ALL RIGHT. AND THE OUTDOOR SHOWERS WERE GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING, OR THAT'S GOING TO BE A SEPARATE ENTITY. I SEE TOWERS ON HERE, BUT I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE I CAN'T UNDECIDED AT THIS POINT.

I CAN'T RECALL SPECIFICALLY. YEAH, I CAN'T I CANNOT RECALL SPECIFICALLY IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE OUTSIDE OF IT, OR IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE SEPARATE TOWERS CLOSER TO THE BEACH THAN WHERE THE RESTROOM FACILITY IS PLANNED. IF I HAD IT IN FRONT OF ME, I COULD PROBABLY POINT IT OUT, BUT I, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE SURE I'M SPEAKING ACCURATELY ON IT. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES TO THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT SANDY BEACH? ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE

[7. New Business.]

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT LIKE EXPANSIVE. IT KIND OF WITH REGARD TO OPEN MEETINGS AND

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I'VE DONE LIKE KIND OF A LEGAL REVIEW, A REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCES IN IN PAST FOR THIS BOARD AND FOR A NUMBER OF OTHER BOARDS. I THINK THAT IS REALLY THE STARTING POINT. SO THE ORDINANCE IS INCLUDED IN THE MEMO THAT I PROVIDED. THE BIG THING IS THAT THIS BOARD WAS CREATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S SUBORDINATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S A RECOMMENDING BOARD. YOU ARE TASKED WITH SPECIFIC OBLIGATIONS WITHIN THE THE ORDINANCE, YOUR ROLE IN THE SCOPE OF YOUR ROLE IS IS LIMITED INTENTIONALLY AS A BOARD. WITH REGARD TO THAT, I THINK THOSE ARE THEIR DIRECT. THAT'S A THROUGH E IN UNDER LAKE MILLS ORDINANCE 27-17.

THAT IS THE. THE ROLE OF THIS BOARD. IF WE IF WE NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE, WE CERTAINLY CAN. I KIND OF PROVIDE SYNOPSES OF THEM IN THE PARAGRAPHS THAT FOLLOW THE ACTUAL QUOTATION OF THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. I'M. I'M MORE INTERESTED IN QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AFTER REVIEWING THIS DOCUMENT, I DO REFERENCE BOTH THE DOJ OPEN RECORDS AND OPEN MEETINGS COMPLIANCE GUIDES. THOSE ARE WITHOUT DOUBT THE BEST RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITH REGARD TO OPEN RECORDS AND OPEN MEETINGS WITH REGARD TO KIND OF ALL THINGS GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS OPEN RECORDS AND OPEN MEETINGS. THIS IS A WONDERFUL DOCUMENT THAT IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, YOU CERTAINLY SHOULD. THAT'S THE HANDBOOK FOR WISCONSIN MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS THAT'S PRODUCED BY THE LEAGUE OF WISCONSIN MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH THE CITY IS A MEMBER OF, BY FAR THE MOST CONSUMABLE AND KIND OF BEST PIECE OF LITERATURE OUT THERE THAT IS KIND OF READILY AVAILABLE AND CONSUMABLE. IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND. IT ATTACKS DIFFERENT ISSUES ON A IN A LOGICAL WAY. IT KIND OF TAKES YOU THROUGH THE YEAR THAT MUNICIPALITIES GO THROUGH WITH REGARD TO BUDGETING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. IT DIRECTS THE LIMITATION OR BRINGS LIGHT TO THE LIMITATIONS OF POWERS THAT ARE OUT THERE. IT BRINGS UP SPECIFIC STATE AND, AND OTHER STATUTE THAT YOU, AS MEMBERS OF A PUBLIC BOARD, ARE BOUND BY. SO IF YOU HADN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT OR TAKE SOME TIME WITH IT, I JUST CERTAINLY WOULD FROM THERE, ASSUMING THAT YOU HAVE KIND OF AT LEAST REVIEWED THE THE MEMO GENERALLY OR IN YOUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ARISEN, I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO ATTEMPT A DISCUSSION AT THEM WITH REGARD TO THE BOARD AND ITS OPERATIONS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON THE INTERSECTION OF ADMINISTRATION AND YOUR BOARD AND THE ROLE THAT THE DIRECTOR, THE CITY MANAGER, MEMBERS OF STAFF AS THEY'RE APPOINTED OR DESIGNATED, PLAY WITH YOUR BOARD. AND THEN CERTAINLY AS INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOUR ROLES AND THE OBLIGATIONS AND THE DUTIES THAT YOU HAVE THROUGHOUT, I DID BRING UP BOTH OPEN RECORDS AND OPEN MEETINGS WITH SOME INTENT. THEY IT IS THE LAW. I PROBABLY BROUGHT UP SOME STATEMENTS IN THE MEMO THAT PERHAPS NONE OF YOU WERE NECESSARILY AWARE OF. AS MEMBERS OF A PUBLIC BOARD, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE AS THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORDS THAT YOU CREATE THAT THAT LINE. WHAT IS A RECORD IS KIND OF CONSTANTLY CHANGING AND EVOLVING IN CURRENT TIMES. WITH THE ADVENT OF THE INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, IS MY TEXT MESSAGE IS A FACEBOOK PAGE POST FROM MY PERSONAL FACEBOOK ACCOUNT IN OPEN RECORD. IS IT A RECORD SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE UNDER THE OPEN RECORDS RULE? AND I MEAN, YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE A STRAIGHT YES OR NO ANSWER ON THAT. INTENT MATTERS. THE NATURE OF THE DISCUSSION THAT IS BEING ENGAGED IN HOW YOU REPRESENT YOURSELF, WHETHER AS A BOARD MEMBER OR AN INDIVIDUAL. IF YOU CAN ABANDON THAT TITLE AS A BOARD MEMBER WHILE YOU'RE MAKING THAT DISCUSSION, ALL OF THESE COME INTO PLAY, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF TESTS THAT ARE APPLIED IN OPEN RECORDS ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A RECORD, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A RECORD SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE, THAT YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS BOARD MEMBERS TO ABIDE BY AND TO RESPECT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OF YOU RECEIVED OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS FOR YOUR ACTIVITIES. THERE'S A STARK LINE BETWEEN YOUR ROLE AS BOARD MEMBERS AND THE CITY CLERK, WHO IS THE CUSTODIAN FOR CITY RECORDS. THE CITY CLERK WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING AND MAINTAINING RECORDS THAT ARE

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A THE NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT IS PRESENT TO CONDUCT SOME ACTION, A CONTEMPLATED ACTION.

SO IF YOUR BOARD IS A FIVE MEMBER BOARD, IT'S TYPICAL THAT A SIMPLE MAJORITY WOULD CARRY A MOTION. IF THREE ARE PRESENT, THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A QUORUM. IF A QUORUM STARTS COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER, EITHER IN PERSON OR THROUGH A SERIES OF COMMUNICATIONS, VIA TELEPHONE OR VIA TEXT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU MAY COME TO A POINT WHERE A WALKING QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. THAT'S ILLEGAL. IT IS A VIOLATION OF OPEN MEETINGS LAWS, AND IT EXPLICITLY REQUIRES SOME FORM OF AGREEMENT, SOME FORM OF OF DECISION MAKING WITHOUT THE REQUIREMENTS OF OPEN MEETINGS LAWS, WHICH IS A PUBLICLY NOTICED AGENDA THAT IDENTIFIES THE ISSUES THAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO TAKE UP, AND THEN THE TIME, PLACE AND MANNER IN WHICH THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN UP, YOUR MEETING DATE, YOUR MEETING TIME, YOUR MEETING LOCATION. SO THESE THESE TWO, THESE TWO LAWS KIND OF INTERPLAY WITH EACH OTHER. AND I THINK FROM A PUBLIC BOARD STANDPOINT IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE THAT YOU MAINTAIN A GOOD EDUCATION AND GOOD HABITS WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE OBLIGATIONS UNDER THOSE LAWS ARE, AND THEN BE BE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ASK A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S BLURRY OR SOMETHING THAT'S GRAY, LET'S DISCUSS IT AND LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE RESOLUTION TO THAT INQUIRY IS. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION UNDER STATE LAW. BOTH OF THOSE STATUTES WERE DRAFTED WITH A VERY EXPLICIT AND SPECIFIC INTENT. THAT TRANSPARENCY IS THE GOAL. WE, AS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, WE AS A GOVERNMENTAL

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BUT THEY COULD CERTAINLY SAY, OKAY, WE NO LONGER NEED A PARKS BOARD. THEREFORE, YOU'RE NOT ENGAGED IN THIS ACTIVITY. THE THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT IS. SO IF THE CITY COUNCIL WERE TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE PARKS BOARD DOESN'T LIKE, THERE'S REALLY NOT LIKE RECOMPENSE FOR YOU.

YOU'RE SUBORDINATE TO THEM. THEY'RE NOT THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ENGAGE WITH YOU ON RULES WITHIN THE PARK. IF THEY HEAR FROM ENOUGH PEOPLE OR THEY HAVE A MEMBER THAT DECIDES THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT THEY JUST TAKE UP AN ISSUE AT THE PARKS LEVEL WITH OR AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL WITHOUT SENDING IT TO PARKS BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S HARMLESS. YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPEL THE CITY COUNCIL TO USE YOUR BOARD. SO BACK TO THAT ISSUE, KIND OF TRYING TO CLOSE THAT GAP THERE. I HAVE MORE OF A COMMENT. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO ADD ON THAT POINT. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT DAN SAID WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKS BOARD BEING SUBORDINATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. HAVING SAID THAT, IN OUR IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL THE MEMBERS. WE VALUE INPUT FROM OUR BOARDS. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THEM. AND WE WANT THEM TO CONTINUE BECAUSE IT GIVES EXTRA INPUT AND, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING AT ISSUES AND THINKING ABOUT THEM AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I THINK WE, WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO ENGAGE THE BOARDS AND GET YOUR INPUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT'S WHY EVEN WITH SANDY BEACH, ALTHOUGH WE'VE BEEN HISTORICALLY MANAGING THAT MORE AT A CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, WE'RE TRYING TO INVOLVE THE PARKS BOARD WHERE WE CAN BECAUSE YOU JUST GET, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS WHEN YOU GET MORE INPUT, BUT DOESN'T MEAN WE MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, SKIP OVER THE PARKS BOARD AT SOME POINT IF TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THAT POINT. SO I'VE BEEN AN EMPLOYER, I'VE BEEN THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY FOR TEN YEARS, APPROACHING TEN YEARS. THE PARKS BOARD SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS A BOARD THAT WHEN I STARTED, IT WAS FAIRLY UNDERUTILIZED. THERE WAS A A FAIRLY KIND OF ROTE, MECHANICAL APPROACH TO THE, THE, THE PRESENCE OR THE ACTIVITIES OF THE BOARD AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

I CERTAINLY HEARD FROM BOTH BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF ADMINISTRATION THAT THE BOARD WAS KIND OF JUST UNDERUTILIZED. THERE WEREN'T HIGH STAKES ISSUES THAT WERE COMING TO THE PARKS BOARD. THERE WASN'T REALLY A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR PARK SYSTEM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, MINOR TWEAKS AND CHANGES. BUT IF THERE'S NO MONEY, THERE'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, MUCH IN THE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT OR CHANGES. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DONE KIND OF EARLY ON WAS IN AN ACTUAL ATTEMPT TO MAKE THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT MORE USED AS A

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IF THAT IS TO BE EXPANDED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER ACTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF POSSIBLE. SO I JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND AND, AND GO OUT THERE AND ENGAGE. I JUST WANTED TO EXPAND ON SOMETHING INTERACTION THAT YOU AND I, YOU AND I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE TIMES. I'VE, YOU WILL UNDOUBTEDLY GET CORRESPONDENCE FROM PEOPLE. THEY WANT TO SHARE AN ARTICLE, A FACT. AND IF YOU WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD, YOU NEED TO GO. YOU WOULD FORWARD THAT TO THE CLERK OR THE DEPUTY CLERK. LISA.

THAT'S MY PREFERENCE BECAUSE THEN THE CLERK, ONCE YOU RECEIVE THAT EMAIL. SO. AND THAT'S AS A SUBORDINATE BOARD OF THE CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF ADMINISTRATION'S PROCESSES IS THAT YOU ARE NOT ALL ISSUED CITY EMAIL ADDRESSES. THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT THAT YOU ARE CUSTODIANS OF YOUR OWN RECORDS. HOWEVER, THERE'S A WAY TO EASE THAT. PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, IF JACOB RECEIVES A A NEWSLETTER FROM SOMEONE OR COMMENTARY AND EMAIL FROM SOMEONE AND THEN FORWARDS IT ON TO THE CITY CLERK, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, SHE'S RECEIVING THAT IN OUR CITY URL, AND THEN IT'S IMMEDIATELY BACKED UP ON THE SERVER. SO WE HAVE RECORD OF THAT COMMUNICATION. NOW THAT'S A RECORD THAT THE CITY WILL PRESERVE THROUGH TIME. AND IF IT'S SUBJECT TO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DISCLOSE IT KIND OF ABSENT YOUR ACTION THERE. SO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. AND YEAH, EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE LIKE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S INFORMATIVE, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO IF LIKE, IF IT'S INFORMATIVE, BUT THAT TENDS TO PUSH AN ARGUMENT IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, IS THAT CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE? LIKE OBVIOUSLY FORWARDING IT TO THE CLERK OR CITY CLERK. DEPUTY CITY CLERK IS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE, BUT IS ANYTHING ACCEPTABLE FOR THAT? AND THAT CLERK OR DEPUTY CITY CLERK ARE THE ONES THAT DECIDE WHAT'S PERTINENT FROM A PRESERVATION OF RECORD STANDPOINT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WHATEVER YOU RECEIVE, IF YOU

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IT WILL BE MAINTAINED. THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING SHOULD, YOU KNOW. HEY, JACOB, WHAT ARE YOU DOING SATURDAY NIGHT? THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO THE CITY OR TO THE PARKS BOARD OPERATIONS.

RIGHT. BUT IF SOMEONE SENDS YOU AN ARTICLE THAT IS THAT STATES THIS IS A BETTER PRACTICE FOR THIS ACTIVITY THAT THE PARKS BOARD IS CONSIDERING, AND YOU FORWARD THAT TO THE TO THE CITY CLERK. AND THEN YOU TAKE THE NEXT STEP OF SAYING, I RECEIVED THIS CONSTITUENT CONTACT, AND I WANT THIS TO BE THIS ARTICLE TO BE INCLUDED ON THE UPCOMING AGENDA. NOW, YOU'VE KIND OF PRESERVED IT IN TWO WAYS. ONCE IT'S A PART OF THE AGENDA, THAT ACTUAL RECORD WILL BE MAINTAINED AS WELL. THAT ATTACHMENT ON THE AGENDA WILL BE IN A BANK THAT HAS THAT THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED THROUGH TIME. SO I DON'T REALLY CARE, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF YOU SHOULD NECESSARILY CARE ABOUT THE. WHAT THE ARGUMENTS OF THESE DOCUMENTS WOULD NECESSARILY BE. I THINK YOU START AT A STEP BEFORE THAT AND YOU SAY, I'VE RECEIVED A DOCUMENT THAT MAY CONSTITUTE A RECORD, REGARDLESS OF ITS PRO OR CON, ON A SPECIFIC ISSUE.

I'VE RECEIVED IT. IT WAS SENT BY CONSTITUENT. THAT MAY BE A RECORD. LET'S GET THAT INTO THE CLERK'S HAND. I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND MAYBE THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING OF AS WELL. JACOB, IF I RECEIVE A CORRESPONDENCE ON AN ISSUE, MAYBE IT'S COMING UP ON OUR AGENDA AND IT'S GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME INFORMATION IN IT, NOT JUST I OPPOSE THIS OR I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS OR SOMETHING, BUT THAT HAS SOME INFORMATION. IF I THINK THE REST OF THE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT BENEFIT FROM SEEING THAT. AND I AND I CAN'T TELL THAT THEY YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY GOT IT DIRECTLY FROM THE SENDER. WOULD THAT ALSO BE SENT IT TO THE CLERK AND ASK HER TO SHARE IT WITH THE OTHER PARKS BOARD MEMBERS? I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS APPROPRIATE. SENDING IT TO THE CLERK AS ACTING AS A CONDUIT FOR RECEIVING AND SENDING OUT INFORMATION. ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T IT'S NOT AN OPEN RECORDS VIOLATION. IT'S NOT A WALK IN FORUM TO SHARE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM OTHER CONSTITUENTS. IT MAY BE A VIOLATION OF OPEN RECORDS. IF YOU TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN TO A GROUP MASS EMAIL, YOU SAY PARKS BOARD MEMBER MADAM X HAS SAID THIS. I AGREE, LET'S DO THIS. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN RECEIVING MADAM X'S DOCUMENTS. SEE SEEING THE CLERK AND SENDING IT TO EVERYBODY. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADMINISTER IN THAT MANNER. YOU CAN. IF THERE'S NOT ACTION CONTEMPLATED, IT'S IT'S NOT A VIOLATION. IT'S JUST SHARING OF INFORMATION. THAT'S KIND OF SIMILAR IN MY MIND TO ANOTHER ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION, LIKE SCHEDULING, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE, IF WE'RE TRYING TO HOLD A MEETING, OF COURSE, PARKS BOARD MEMBERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EMAIL AND SAY, I'M AVAILABLE, I'M NOT AVAILABLE ON FRIDAY THE 13TH AT 1 P.M. RIGHT. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN ACTING ON AN ITEM THAT SHOULD BE ON AN AGENDA THAT THE THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ATTEND THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT ACTION. SO IF IT'S JUST FORWARDING ON A COMMUNICATION THAT YOU THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO SEE A LETTER OR A DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'D SAY YOU CAN DO THAT. WHAT I LIKE ABOUT DOING WHEN I SEND SOMETHING TO THE CLERK, IF I IF I THINK IT SHOULD BE SHARED, WHAT, WHAT I LIKE DOING ABOUT THAT IS IT MAKES SURE THAT WE DON'T GET ACCIDENTALLY GET CAUGHT UP INTO SOMEBODY LIKE REPLYING TO ALL. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN A DISCUSSION GETS GOING BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED THAT OUR CLERK AND DEPUTY CLERK, LIKE WHEN THEY SEND SOMETHING OUT TO A WHOLE BOARD, WE'RE ALL BLIND COPIED SO THAT IF YOU REPLIED, WE WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTALLY GETTING A CONVERSATION GOING. I THINK ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS AVOIDING INADVERTENTLY ESTABLISHING A WALKING QUORUM, BECAUSE ONE MEMBER SENDS IT TO EVERYBODY, NOT EXPECTING THEM TO REPLY. ONE PERSON REPLIES, WHICH THEN PRESSES A WATERFALL EFFECT. ANOTHER PERSON REPLIES TO THAT REPLY. ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THAT'S NOW DISCUSSING THE MERITS OF AN ISSUE IN A IN A MANNER IN WHICH SHOULD BE BEING CONDUCTED IN AN OPEN MEETING, AND YOU HAVE NOW POTENTIALLY RUN AFOUL OF OPEN MEETING, THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW. AND SO THE BENEFIT OF ASKING THE CITY CLERK TO DISTRIBUTE INFORMATION IS IT TAKES THAT THAT INADVERTENT OPPORTUNITY FROM OCCURRING. ARE YOU ARE YOU KIND OF TELLING US THAT WE ARE ON NOTICE THAT OUR WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS COULD BE REQUESTED? YEAH. THEY COULD, THEY YOU YOU SHOULD BE IF NOW'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE HEARD THAT. I'M SORRY. YES. SO I'M SAYING LIKE, WE SHOULD KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I DO IN YOUR EXAMPLE, REACH OUT TO JACOB. AND I SAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIGHT. TO ESTABLISH IF THERE IS A QUORUM? YOU DON'T DO THAT BY GOING THROUGH THE OFFICIAL

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YES. BE WARY OF IT. NOW, THIS DOESN'T THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE YOUR PERSONAL COMMUNICATION. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF EXCEPTIONS. AND THAT IT'S THERE'S FAR FEWER EXCEPTIONS THAN THERE ARE JUST THE RULE. IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT, THOUGH. YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT NEXT STEP. IT'S RECEIVING THAT COMMUNICATION. AND THEN LIKE DRAKE SAID, INADVERTENTLY, A REPLY ALL THAT SAYS, HEY, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. WE SHOULD DO IT. AND THEN TWO OTHER COMMENTERS UNDERNEATH THAT SAYING, I AGREE, LET'S DO THAT. LET'S DO THAT. I CAN'T WAIT TILL THIS IS ON THE AGENDA. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, HOW OBVIOUS IS THAT? BACK TO THE RECORDS THAT YOU MAINTAIN. SO PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS, GENERALLY PERSONAL PHONES GENERALLY PRIVATE OR PERSONAL FACEBOOK ACCOUNTS GENERALLY, ALL OF THOSE YOUR YOUR PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS ARE EXEMPT. THOSE AREN'T RECORDS UNLESS THEY ARE. SO IF IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION TO SOMEONE THAT'S NOT EXEMPT, LIKE YOUR SPOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE, OH, THIS KNUCKLEHEAD ON THE BOARD, WHAT AN IDIOT. JUST DOING THAT. JUST MAKING THAT STATEMENT. WHEN SOMEONE THE REQUESTER SAYS, I WANT A RECORD, I WANT ALL THE RECORDS FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2026 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2026, WHERE KYLE LAWRENCE TALKED ABOUT ACTIVITIES ON THE PARKS BOARD. NOW YOU HAVE A PUBLIC A PRIVATE EMAIL FROM YOUR ACCOUNT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT CONSTITUTE A RECORD. YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AND EXAMINE THAT ONE STATEMENT. AND POTENTIALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IS BLACKED OUT, AND THERE'S PRIVILEGED OR CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION WITHIN THAT RECORD. BUT YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THAT ONE SENTENCE IS A RECORD THAT IS SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE. SO THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN AND ULTIMATELY DISCLOSE. THAT'S A BIG ENDEAVOR, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH AND WE DEAL WITH THESE ALL THE TIME OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS, SPECIFICALLY, A LOT OF MAN HOURS GO INTO THEM AND WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF YOUR PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS. WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP WHERE THE PARKS BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING ON THIS, OR WHEN MADAM X SAYS JACOB SLAVEY EMAILED THIS OR MADE A FACEBOOK POST ON THIS ISSUE, I WANT THAT RECORD. THAT'S WHEN THE INQUIRY WOULD COME FROM US, THE CITY, CITY ADMINISTRATION, TO YOU AS MEMBERS. AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THAT EXACT THAT, THAT THAT ENTERPRISE, THAT TEST WHERE YOU ESTABLISH, OKAY, IS THIS A RECORD? IS THERE ANY EXEMPTION AND A REASON WHY THIS THAT IS A RECORD IS NOT SUBJECT TO DISCLOSURE. THAT'S THAT'S THE PROCESS. BUT ANY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN BOARD MEMBERS. OH, WITHOUT DOUBT. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LUNCH ON FRIDAY AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BOARD ACTIVITIES, PROBABLY NOT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT RUNNING INTO A WALKING QUORUM THERE. BUT IF IT'S IF IT'S ANYTHING, IT'S KYLE TO JACOB SAYING, I APPRECIATED THIS COMMENT. LET'S GET THIS ON AN AGENDA. ABSOLUTELY. 100%.

THAT'S A RECORD. BUT EVEN SHOWING LIKE IT WAS JUST COMMUNICATION THAT WAS INNOCUOUS, RIGHT? YEAH. THERE ISN'T ONE. RIGHT. YEAH. SO IT WOULD STILL POTENTIALLY HAVE TO BE PROVIDED TO SHOW IT WASN'T THERE. RIGHT. I THINK, I MEAN, WHEN THAT, THAT INQUIRY HAPPENS, WHEN THE, THE, THE TEST IS EITHER SATISFIED OR IT ISN'T. I THINK THAT'S WHEN THE DECISION IS MADE. EITHER THERE IS A RECORD OR THERE ISN'T. IF IT'S JUST INNOCUOUS, IT'S JUST SCHEDULING. THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS ADDRESSING THE ACTUAL REQUEST. PROBABLY NO RECORD EXISTS. AND THAT'S A FAIR RESPONSE TO AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. YOU CAN BE CHALLENGED ON THAT AFTER THE FACT. AND THEY SAY, OKAY, WELL, I YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT I WAS BCC'D ON THIS SPECIFIC EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN TWO MEMBERS. I THINK THIS IS A RECORD. YOU THINK THIS ISN'T WHY WASN'T IT DISCLOSED? THEN YOU OFFER YOU ENTER INTO AN ARGUMENT ON THAT. WE CAN'T BE FRIENDS FOREVER. YEAH. I THINK SOCIAL MEDIA IS ONE TO BE PARTICULARLY CAREFUL OF, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY IT'S INFORMAL IN NATURE AND CONVERSATIONS CAN START QUICKLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A QUESTION OF THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT SUPREME COURT CASES ON PUBLIC OFFICIALS BLOCKING

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THEN D RECOMMENDED THE CITY COUNCIL ALL MATTERS RELATING TO THE EFFICIENT OPERATION OF THE PARK SYSTEM. THAT'S QUITE BROAD IN NATURE. E PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT EITHER TO THE EITHER WRITTEN OR ORAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ALL OF THAT STUFF. THEN THE OTHER SIDE IS IF THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY ASKS YOU TO DO SOMETHING. WE ARE AWARE THAT THE CITY OF FOND DU LAC IS DOING THIS. DO WE HAVE SPACE WHERE WE COULD DO THIS, OR.

CONSTITUENTS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A DESIRE TO HAVE A DOG PARK. WHERE IS THE APPROPRIATE SPOT FOR THAT? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COULD TASK TO YOU IF IF THEY WANTED YOUR OPINION ON IT. SO I THINK THERE'S THERE'S AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, TWOFOLD KIND OF THERE THE OBLIGATIONS AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT YOU HAVE UNDER ORDINANCE AND THAT EXTRA WHATEVER THEY WANT YOU TO DO. SO, SO IF I HAD AN IDEA, YOU KNOW, FOR A PARK ON MY OWN AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, YEAH, I WOULDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE FOR ME TO BRING IT UP HERE AS A PARK MEMBER. RIGHT? IF I WAS LIKE, LET'S TURN MY HOUSE INTO A PARK, RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY BROUGHT TO ME. AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S INTERESTING. I MEAN, BUT YOU ARE, YOU ARE A CITIZEN. YOU HAPPEN TO ALSO BE IN THE LEFT EAR OF THE, THE PARLIAMENTARIAN. LIKE WHY NOT IF THE PARLIAMENTARIAN AND ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO BE ON THE AGENDA? IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT YOU COULD HAVE. AND THEN UNDER ONE OF THOSE, MAYBE PREPARE AND RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE FIVE YEAR PARK PLAN. THAT'S SOMETHING, HEY, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS SITE. WE FEEL THE NEED OF A POCKET PARK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WHY NOT? I THINK THERE'S A REASONABLE

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MEET AT A BAR AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT FANTASY FOOTBALL, RIGHT? IT'S JUST IT'S SO FAR OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF PARKS BOARD. THERE'S NO CONTEMPLATED ACTION, THERE'S NO AGENDA. BUT THAT'S REALLY THE KEY THING. IF THERE IS A QUORUM OF A GOVERNMENTAL BODY OF A BOARD, AND THERE IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSION ON SPECIFIC ITEMS, NOTICE AND AN AGENDA, TIME AND PLACE MUST MUST BE ESTABLISHED. WITHOUT THAT, YOU CANNOT HAVE A MEETING. SO IF THREE PEOPLE MEET IN A SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT, DON'T TALK ABOUT PARKS BOARD STUFF. AND CERTAINLY DON'T TALK ABOUT ACTION THAT YOU ANTICIPATE OR TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHIP VOTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID. OKAY. HAPPY TO DISCUSS. SO I MEAN, THIS IS JUST LIKE THIS DUMP OF WORDS AND INFORMATION, BUT TRULY HAPPY TO DISCUSS ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE HAD ACCESS TO THIS. WE HAVE COPIES RUNNING AROUND HERE.

WE CAN GET MORE COPIES IF NECESSARY. THAT DOCUMENT, THE HANDBOOK FOR MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS IN WISCONSIN, IS EXCELLENT. I THINK IF ANY BOARD MEMBER, ESPECIALLY IF THEY THINK ABOUT MAYBE PARKS BOARD NOW, BUT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN PUBLIC WORKS OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE, IT IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE AND IT GIVES YOU INSIGHT INTO ALL KINDS OF ASPECTS OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE OPERATION OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS IN WISCONSIN. SO IT'S VERY, VERY INTERESTING QUALITY. I JUST WANT TO THANK ATTORNEY DRESCHER. I'VE REACHED OUT TO HIM NUMEROUS TIMES, AND HE'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND VERY ACCOMMODATING AND EXPLAINED IT TO ME VERY, VERY WELL. AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL. AND I HOPE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IT'S MY PLEASURE. AND I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF. I THINK THE CITY OF LAKE MILLS ITSELF IS, IS SITUATED IN JUST IT'S EXCELLENT SPOT. WE WE ARE CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT ISSUES LIKE THIS. AND IF WE WEREN'T, WE'D BE FAILING THE CONSTITUENTS OUT THERE BECAUSE WE ARE WE HAVE THOUGH YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE VARYING OPINIONS ON THIS. WE HAVE ACCESS. WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY, WE FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES AND THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE BETTERMENT OR FOR THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE TASK AND THE GOALS THAT WE HAVE. SO I THINK THIS RUNS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY WELL THAT'S NEVER ENOUGH, THOUGH. I MEAN, YOU WANT TO CONSTANTLY IMPROVE. AND THEN THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT IS, AND I SAY THIS TO EVERYBODY THAT WILL LISTEN, DRAKE BROUGHT IT UP WITHOUT SAYING IT REGARDING THE BUDGET AND THE ANNUAL ACTIVITIES, BRIAN PROBABLY BEMOANS THE LACK OF CAPACITY THAT HE HAS. A FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS SYSTEM IN LAKE MILLS GAVE ME A GREAT ANALOGY. HE ALWAYS SAID, WHENEVER YOU PUT AN APPLE ON MY CART, SOMETHING HAS TO COME OFF RIGHT? WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH CAPACITY, BUT THE THERE. WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU KIND OF HAVE THIS PRIVILEGE WHERE, YOU KNOW, STUFF MOVES SLOW WHEN YOU'RE AT THIS LEVEL. I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT'S A MAJOR FRUSTRATION, BUT YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING DELIBERATE. YOU HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IS WELL THOUGHT OUT AND ACCOMPLISHES THE GOALS OF THIS BOARD AND IS MEANINGFUL TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AS OPPOSED TO JUST RUSHING OUT AND GETTING PAPER IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY. IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF BUSINESS. TAKE YOUR TIME, BE DELIBERATE, BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PROCESSES AND THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN PLACE, AND DO YOUR BEST TO, YOU KNOW, BETTER.

ENGAGE IN BETTERMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU REPRESENT. WELL SAID.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. DRESCHER. ANYONE ELSE FOR MR. DRESCHER? BRIAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS KIND OF THE ROLE AS YOU SEE IT A LITTLE BIT OR NO, I THINK DAN EXPLAINED IT PERFECTLY WELL. I'VE HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME NEWER BOARD MEMBERS HERE, AND THOSE ARE PRODUCTIVE AND I THINK INFORMATIVE. SO IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO VISITATIONS, SIT DOWNS, OR JUST CONVERSATIONS OVER THE PHONE JUST LIKE DAN IS. SO ANYTIME THAT COMES UP, YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT. ALL RIGHT. AND THANK YOU, FOLKS, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW BOARD. YOU KNOW, I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SIX MONTHS OR LESS. SO I THINK IT'S GOOD. WE HAVE A GOOD FOOTING. THANKS FOR SETTING IT UP, BRIAN. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO SEVEN B DISCUSSION RECOMMENDATION GRANT APPLICATION FOR FAYETTEVILLE PARK BASKETBALL COURT. I WANT TO HAND THIS OFF TO DRAKE. I

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THERE HAS THERE HAS BEEN TALK OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, MAYBE EVEN A YEAR OVER A BASKETBALL COURT AT FAYETTEVILLE PARK. I ACTUALLY, I PASSED OUT TO YOU A PREVIOUS PLAN. THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED FOR WITHIN THE LAST 20 TO 25 YEARS OF KIND OF THE FAYETTEVILLE PARK PLAN, WHICH DID INCLUDE INSTALLING A BASKETBALL COURT AT FAYETTEVILLE PARK. THE REASON BEFORE YOU TODAY IS WE'RE ESSENTIALLY READY TO SUBMIT THE GRANT APPLICATION. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. THE MATCH, OR A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE 2027 BUDGET. WE THINK WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A STRONG GRANT APPLICATION. WE'VE RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, COUNTY OFFICIALS, AS WELL AS OUR CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAS WRITTEN ONE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS REALLY PLACEMENT. SO THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS FOR YOU, BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE WHEN THE CONVERSATION WAS INITIATED, IT REALLY CENTERED AROUND REPLACING THE VOLLEYBALL COURT WITH A BASKETBALL COURT. AS WE'VE TALKED TO OUR PLANNERS AND, AND SOME AND OUR ENGINEERS, THAT STEEP SLOPE IS GOING ALONG THERE IS GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES FOR THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF A COURT THERE BECAUSE OF THE THE FLOW OF WATER AND THE DRAINAGE. AND THEN THERE IS SOME CONCERN OVER, OBVIOUSLY, FOUL BALLS, THE FREQUENCY OF WHICH THEY COULD FIND THEIR WAY IN THERE. IT IS CONTEMPLATED UNDER THE PLAN TO BE FENCED IN, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ALWAYS THE CHANCE OF DAMAGE TO THAT FENCE OR UNNECESSARY WEAR AND TEAR. THE THE PLAN THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED AND APPROVED IN PREVIOUS PARK PLANS 2025 YEARS AGO DID HAVE THE BASKETBALL COURT BETWEEN THE PLAYGROUND AND THE AND THE PARKING LOT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT OUR RECOMMENDED OPTION IS TO YOU.

BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE THE THE THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE DRAINAGE, THE, THE EASE OF ACCESS IS GOING TO BE THE, THE, THE LEAST RESOURCE INTENSIVE AND KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH BRINGING PEOPLE THROUGH A NATURAL FLOW OF THAT PARK. THE THIRD OPTION WAS KIND OF CONTEMPLATED AS POTENTIAL. THIS IS A LOW AREA AND CERTAINLY LIMITS THE USAGE OF THOSE FIELDS IN THE FUTURE. SO NOT NOT ONE THAT WE WERE CERTAINLY EXCITED NECESSARILY ABOUT BECAUSE OF THOSE LIMITING FACTORS AND BECAUSE OF THAT LOW AREA. BUT IT CERTAINLY COULD BE A USE OF THAT PORTION FURTHER ALONG. OBVIOUSLY, THE THE ACCESS TO THAT WOULD WOULD BE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING AND WALKING TO IT FROM THAT DIRECTION. SO THERE IS THERE IS STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO FAYETTEVILLE PARK. THERE IS SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE THERE FOR FUTURE FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE RESTROOMS TO BE INSTALLED THERE.

THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST, IF YOU WERE TO GO THROUGH PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS OVER WHAT THE FUTURE OF THAT FIELD OR, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A SOFTBALL FIELD, WHETHER IT GETS CONVERTED TO SOCCER FIELDS, IT'S IT'S MOST INTENSE USAGE.

NOW, WHEN YOU SEE THE PARKING LOT MOST FILLED UP IS GENERALLY KIND OF, I THINK PROBABLY FLAG FOOTBALL SEASON FOR WHEN THAT OPEN GRASS GRASSY AREA IS USED. WE DID PUT UP A A NET IN THE VOLLEYBALL COURT THIS SEASON, AND IT HAS SEEN MORE USAGE THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST BECAUSE IT HAS HAD YOU KNOW, IT'S WELL, IT HAD AN AMENITY AVAILABLE TO IT INSTEAD OF JUST BEING OPEN. SO ULTIMATELY, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS, IS FOR THE LOCATION BETWEEN THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PARKING LOT IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND PROMOTE LONGEVITY AND FOR EASE OF INSTALLATION FROM A TOPOGRAPHICAL STANDPOINT, THAT THAT SLOPE WILL CAUSE US ISSUES.

IT MAY CAUSE US, IT MAY CAUSE. DESIGN SACRIFICES. WE HAVEN'T OBVIOUSLY DONE IN A BIDDABLE PLAN SET FOR THIS FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE JUST FROM SEEING WHAT THAT AREA LOOKS LIKE. SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED BEFORE, AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT WAS KIND OF ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OF FOR A A BASKETBALL FACILITY. THIS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE A VERY, A HIGH END AMENITY, A, THESE, THESE ARE NICE PRODUCTS. THE CONNINGTON COURTS, THE CONNINGTON FOUNDATION, CONNINGTON COURTS ARE THE GRANT APPLICATION THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR. AND SO CERTAINLY AN EXCITING AMENITY IF WE ARE

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I GOT A QUESTION. SO WE THE THE HANDOUT YOU JUST GAVE US HAS THE BASKETBALL COURT IN A SIMILAR, SIMILAR LOCATION, EXCEPT THE ORIENTATION OF THE COURT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SWITCHED AND WOULD WE COULD POTENTIALLY CALL THAT CONCEPT FOR BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT ONE OF THE EMAILS, BUT WOULD THAT BE THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE. NO, THAT'S THAT'S A FAR SMALLER COURT. IS THAT NOT EVEN NOT EVEN A FULL SIZE COURT FROM THAT ORIENTATION? SO YOU'RE YOU'RE SUGGESTED ONE IS CONCEPT TWO, AM I CORRECT? OKAY. AND THAT WOULD HAVE FENCING AND DECENT SPACE BETWEEN THE BASELINES AND THE ACTUAL FENCE AND. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. AND IT'S CONTEMPLATED AS A FULL SIZE, I BELIEVE THAT'S A HIGH SCHOOL, THAT'S A HIGH SCHOOL SIZE COURT FOR THE. HIGHEST LEVEL OF USAGE THAT THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR. OTHERWISE YOU END UP SHRINKING IT DOWN TO THAT. THAT ORIENTATION IS MUCH WHAT YOU'D SEE SOME DESIGN SACRIFICES, WHETHER IT'S NOT A FULL COURT OR A HALF COURT, IF YOU SWITCHED IT TO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE OLD PLAN. SO I THINK THE THE GRANT THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR, THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO APPLY FOR IS FOR THAT THE FULL SIZE COURT THAT YOU SEE ON THE CONCEPTS FROM IN THE AGENDA, DOES THAT GRANT WOULD THAT COVER THE EXTRA SIDEWALK SOFTBALL PLAZA OR.

THAT'S THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION. IT'LL BE THE GRANT WILL BE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE COURT IN THE FENCING, POSSIBLY SOME OF THE CONCRETE AROUND IT. BUT LIKE WHEN YOU SEE THAT EXTRA KIND OF PLAZA SPACE AND WALKING PATHS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE SOME OF THE AROUND IT MIGHT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE THE GRANT FOR. BUT AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THAT SOFTBALL FIELD, CERTAINLY THAT WOULD BE A CITY, A CITY PROJECT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT NEED TO HAPPEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS ONE. SO THE SOFTBALL FIELD, HAVE THE NEIGHBORS BEEN ASKED ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK? I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A FOUL BALL THAT GOES DOWN THE FIRST BASELINE, YOU'D THINK THAT THEY'D BE WORRIED IT MIGHT HIT THEIR HOUSE. I HAVE NOT I'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS MYSELF OVER CONCERNS OVER THE THE SOFTBALL FIELD. SO.

I DON'T KNOW, BRIAN, IF YOU HAVE IT ALL, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S MADE IT TO ME.

WE COULD DEFINITELY MAKE MORE EFFORTS IN MAKING THAT FIELD MORE READILY AVAILABLE. AND PERHAPS DOWN THE ROAD WE MAY GET SOME FEEDBACK, BUT AS CURRENTLY, NO, WE HAVE NOT. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, IT HAS IT IT HAS FEWER IMPROVEMENTS THAN THE OTHER BALL FIELDS THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE CITY. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT PLAZA. I WAS JUST DOWN THERE TODAY. THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE OF BENCHES, A LOW FENCE, THE THE INFIELD IS NOT AS AS NICE AS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER BALL FIELDS THAT WE HAVE AROUND THE CITY. SO SURE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT USED AS MUCH BECAUSE OF THAT. RIGHT. AND I THINK THOSE IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO START WITH US AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO PREPARE THOSE, SO TO SPEAK, FIELDS FOR RAIN. AND SO WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE MAKING MORE EFFORTS THERE. AND WE MAY END UP GETTING SOME FEEDBACK AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT APPROPRIATELY. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MORE ALONG THE ALIGNMENT OF WHERE THE FIELD IS LOOKING, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A STRAY FOUL BALL AND YOU HAVE SUBDIVISION RIGHT THERE, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW CLOSE THAT WAS. OR IF THERE WAS NET NETTING THAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE OR ALONG THOSE LINES. YEAH, WE HAVEN'T CONTEMPLATED ANY CHANGES CURRENTLY TO THE SOFTBALL FIELD. SO IT'S CONDITION. IT'S PLAYING CONDITION OTHER THAN LOOKING TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE ON THE INFIELD AND DO SOME TURNING AND, AND BRING IT INTO A MORE PLAYABLE CONDITION, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE. BUT I THINK I WAS MISTAKEN. I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AS A CHANGING FIELD. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT NO THE THE BASKETBALL COURT. BUT YEAH, THERE WAS THERE WAS A MOVING AROUND. YEAH. AND TALKING TO THE THERE WAS A, A SOFTBALL FIELD PROJECT 25 ISH YEARS AGO THAT WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED BY CITY STAFF. THAT WAS THE LAST IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS MADE TO THE TO THE SOFTBALL FIELD.

RIGHT NOW, THERE IS THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR ANY CHANGES TO HOW THE SOFTBALL FIELD SITS. THE.

THE BASKETBALL COURT WOULD BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE EXISTING KIND OF FOOTPRINT AND LAYOUT OF THAT PARK. I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON. SURE. THANK YOU. NO,

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AND SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING PIECE OF HISTORY. BUT I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO SHARE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE FOR THIS BOARD, I THINK. X ACCESS TO THE PARK FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS IMPORTANT WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE AROUND FROM THE PARKING LOT JUST TO GET THERE. SO IF A SIDEWALK IS, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY PLACED ON CITY PROPERTY, I, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE, EVEN THOUGH THOSE NEIGHBORS MAY FEEL LIKE, OH, THERE'S MORE PEOPLE WALKING BEHIND THEIR BACKYARDS THAN THERE HAD BEEN IN THE PAST. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD INCLUDE SOME KIND OF ACCESS WALKWAY. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS ON THE 2019 PLAN, BOTH FROM THE SOUTH AND FROM THE NORTH. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT WE COULD LOOK AT HAVING AN ACCESS POINT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. ON THE DATE. THE LAST TIME THAT SPECIFIC IDEA WAS ADDRESSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY CHOSE TO USE THE TAP GRANT TO CONNECT THE TYRANNY OF PARK ROAD SIDEWALK GOING WEST FROM. FROM THIS POINT, FRONTING THE FAYETTEVILLE PARK AND TRAVELING WEST TO CREATE CONTINUITY. RATHER THAN INSTALL THAT INTERIOR PARK. IT WAS JUST A BUDGETARY DECISION ON THAT ONE. YEAH, BUT I THINK THE YEAH, THERE WERE DEFINITELY MEMBERS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT THE RESPONSIBILITY. AND WHETHER MAINTENANCE OR NOT, THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T WANT AS MUCH FOOT TRAFFIC THERE WHEN IT WAS JUST A FIELD, KIND OF NOTHING REALLY GOING ON. BUT THAT SWAYED THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT IN TIME. BUT THAT IS IN THE PLAN. YOU'RE CORRECT. ONE OTHER COMMENT I'LL SHARE. SO I DROVE AROUND AS WELL, WAS WALKING AROUND THE PARK AND SAW THAT WAS THAT WAKEFIELD COURT? I THINK IT'S WAKEMAN COURT IS THE CUL DE SAC. AND THEN THERE'S I THINK IT'S BREWSTER ON THE SOUTH. NO. ANYWAY, THE THREE SIDES, THE OTHER THAN TYRANNY, TYRANNY AND PARK ROAD, I DROVE ON THOSE THREE ROADS AND JUST ALL THE HOUSES AND DRIVEWAYS THAT I COULD SEE DRIVING ON THOSE THREE ROADS ON THE WEST, SOUTH AND EAST SIDE. THERE WAS 17 BASKETBALL STANDS IN DRIVEWAYS. SO I THINK A BASKETBALL COURT WILL LIKELY BE WELL USED AT THIS PARK, EVEN IF IT'S JUST FROM THE ADJACENT HOMES. I, I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF A PARK HERE. I KNOW THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT WAS ROTARY PARK AND BROOKSTONE PARK ARE THE ONLY TWO BASKETBALL COURTS OR PARKS, BASKETBALL COURTS. AND I THINK BROOKSTONE PARK IS GETTING KIND OF WORN. AND OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I WOULD HAVE SAID CONCEPT ONE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THE SLOPE IS TOO STEEP TO ACCOMMODATE THE COURT AND WE DON'T WANT EROSION FILLING UP THE COURT WITH SAND OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S OUT OF, OUT OF, OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITIES. AND I'M RELATIVELY INDIFFERENT BETWEEN CONCEPT TWO AND THREE. I DO APPRECIATE WHAT LISA SAID ABOUT THE IDEA OF FENCING, KIND OF MESSING WITH LINE OF SIGHT FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE PLAYGROUND. SO FENCING WASN'T

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I CAN'T SAY THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE REPLACEMENT OF WHERE THE VOLLEYBALL COURT IS, IS, IS IMPOSSIBLE. IF WE SHRUNK IT DOWN THE SIZE OF THE COURT, YOU KNOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE. I THINK THE THE DRAINAGE AND THE STORMWATER CONCERNS WOULD WOULD REMAIN. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT ENTAILS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, I GUESS, TO PROVIDE AN AMENITY THAT'S NOT OTHERWISE AVAILABLE WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM FROM THE SIZING OF IT WITH THE POTENTIAL GRANT AND OBVIOUSLY GET GETTING THE GRANT IS IS NECESSARY FOR THE PROJECT TO OCCUR. THE BUDGETED AMOUNT IS $50,000. THAT WON'T THAT WON'T COVER THE FULL INSTALLATION OF A BASKETBALL COURT. SO OUR CONVERSATIONS WILL DEFINITELY CENTER AROUND WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT THAT. GRANT. I DON'T KNOW, BRIAN, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD LOOKED AT IT FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS LOCATION, AND IF YOU HAD ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD.

YEAH, THANK YOU. DRAKE. SO ONE CONCERN I DO HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, SOME FEEDBACK I GOT WHEN I STARTED HERE WAS NOBODY USES THAT COURT BY MY QUESTION, JACOB, YOU AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, BUT MY QUESTION WAS, WELL, WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE NET UP? WHAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO? SO I SAID, OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT UP THE NET. LET'S SEE WHAT THE YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT WE GET FOR A RESULT. AND PEOPLE WERE PLAYING ON THAT COURT. I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO REMOVE AN AMENITY THAT DOES HAVE POTENTIAL FOR USE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VOLLEYBALL COURTS, THERE ARE ONLY THE ONLY OTHER VOLLEYBALL COURTS ARE SANDY BEACH. THIS ONE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN. IT IS NICE TO HAVE IN THAT SMALLER AREA FOR THAT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT REMOVING THAT AMENITY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAYBE RECONSIDER. I THINK THE PARK WOULD BENEFIT FROM HAVING BOTH.

NO, I'M NOT SAYING REMOVE THE AMENITY BECAUSE CONCEPT ONE HAD IT RELOCATED. SO. AND THEN YEAH.

SO THEN WE GET INTO THE THE BUDGETARY ASPECT OF IT. AND IT IS A CONSIDERABLE UNDERTAKING WHEN RELOCATING AND ONE AMENITY JUST FOR ANOTHER. SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THE BUDGETARY ASPECT HERE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE A CONSIDERABLE PROJECT TO DO THIS ONE REGARDLESS WHETHER WE SHRINK IT OR NOT. YOU'RE NOW MOVING AN AMENITY OVER HERE TO RETAIN IT, RIGHT? CONCEPT TWO REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF ALL THE TREES IN THAT AREA. OR WOULD THEY? THEY ARE SMALLER TREES.

IT WOULD REQUIRE THE REMOVAL OF A FEW TREES OUT THERE. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY QUITE A FEW TREES, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HANDLE IN HOUSE. OKAY. AND THEN OUR AND FENCES ARE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE GRANT OR IS THAT IS THAT OUR FENCE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE GRANT? BECAUSE I PERSONALLY WOULD PREFER LESS FENCING, BUT I DON'T KNOW. THEY KEEP THE YEAH, THEY KEEP THE BALL FROM TRAVELING LIKE INTO THE PARKING LOT OR, OR OUTSIDE OF IT. SO PLAYGROUND, THERE'S A YEAH, A COMPONENT OF IT. I GUESS ONE OTHER BENEFIT THAT DAN REMINDED ME OF, OF KIND OF THIS LOCATION IS THE, THE NORTH SOUTH ORIENTATION OF IT. SO YOU'RE NEVER SHOOTING INTO THE SUNRISE OR THE SUNSET. SO THERE IS A BENEFIT FROM, YOU KNOW, A QUALITY OF USAGE FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WITH IT BEING CLOSER TO THE PLAYGROUND, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING THERE JUST TO KEEP THAT BALL FROM BOUNCING INTO THAT PLAYGROUND AREA. BUT COULD IT BE ELIMINATED FROM THE GRANT APPLICATION RIGHT NOW? IT WOULD BE A GRANT FUNDED ITEM. COULD WE ELIMINATE FENCING? I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. I WOULD DOUBLE CHECK THE RULES OF THE GRANT BEFORE WE WE DID SO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE THE FENCE IS NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THE GRANT, WHETHER OR NOT IT STRENGTHENS THE GRANT APPLICATION, I THINK WOULD BE. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK. I'D HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THEIR SCORING RUBRIC. GOSH, YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK ESPECIALLY IF IT IS GRANT ELIGIBLE, I THINK WE SHOULD PURSUE THE FENCING PARTLY BECAUSE IT WILL, MOSTLY BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE BALLS WITH THE BASKETBALLS WITHIN THE COURT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE PLAYGROUND, YOU'VE GOT THE PARKING LOT, YOU'VE GOT THE ROAD AND YOU'VE GOT NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. AND SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE PLACES, WE DON'T WANT BASKETBALLS TO BE STRAYING TOO MUCH FROM ANY OF THOSE PLACES. I DO WONDER, THOUGH, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REBUILD THE ACCESS AROUND THE BASKETBALL. IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF WHERE THE GATES ARE LOCATED IN THE COURT THAT MAKE IT EASY TO GET TO THE

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I NECESSARILY PLANNED TO TAKE ON TO CITY COUNCIL, SINCE IT'S AN APPROVED BUDGETARY PROJECT. I WANTED TO SOLICIT PARKS BOARD FEEDBACK BECAUSE IT WAS INSTIGATED BY THE PARKS BOARD, AND ORIGINAL CONVERSATIONS HAD KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT LOCATION OF WHERE THE VOLLEYBALL COURT IS.

BUT I THINK THAT I THINK THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED HAS BEEN ADEQUATE TO PROCEED WITH SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN SUPPORT OF IT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO OR IT'S NECESSARY. AND WE'LL PROCEED WITH SUBMITTING THE THE APPLICATION. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO SKIP THE MOTION THEN I THINK, AND WE'RE ALL KIND OF LEANING, I THINK FOUR OF US. LISA, WERE YOU FOR NUMBER TWO? NUMBER TWO? I THINK NUMBER TWO WAS A CONSENSUS OF THE THREE POSSIBLE OPTIONS. LET'S SEE. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, THE 2027 APPROVED BUDGET AND HISTORICAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW. AND I'M GOING TO PASS THIS OFF TO BRIAN BECAUSE I'M SURE HE KNOWS THIS BETTER THAN ME. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE APPROVED BUDGET FOR 2027.

THIS IS THE OPERATING BUDGET, AND I DO HAVE THE CIP WE CAN LOOK AT MOMENTARILY. BUT JUST I WANTED TO GIVE SOME PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS OPERATING FUNDS THIS YEAR, WE ARE LOOKING AT A

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YEAH. I WAS WONDERING IF I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD A COUPLE THOUGHTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE. SO WE DID APPROVE THE BUDGET AT OUR LAST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 3RD. THE OVERALL OPERATIONAL BUDGET, THEY CALL IT THE GENERAL FUND, SO THAT CITY OPERATIONS AND STAFF IS $6.4 MILLION, AND IT'S ALMOST $300,000 LESS THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME IN THE FIVE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL THAT IT'S BEEN LOWER. SOME OF THAT IS WE DON'T WE'RE NOT GETTING AS MUCH IN STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS, AND SOME OF IT IS THE DECOMMISSIONING OF LEVEL B OF SANDY BEACH, WHERE. SO THERE'S SOME REVENUE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THERE. SO BRIAN, IN PARTICULAR, HIS DEPARTMENT HAS REALLY STREAMLINED KIND OF THEIR STAFFING AND THEIR CROSS TRAINING SO THAT THEY CAN MEET ALL THE NEEDS OF PARKS, FORESTRY AND STREETS. BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, DOWN ONE NET PERSON.

SO IT'S JUST REALLY GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THAT DEPARTMENT AND STICKING WITH THE PRIORITIES THAT THEY NEED TO DO AND BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN, LIKE HE SAID, WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, THAT HAS BEEN TASKED BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITH IDENTIFYING ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP WORKING ON TO TRY TO MAKE UP THE GAP. THE OTHER THING, AND I GUESS THIS WILL MAYBE BE A GOOD LEAD IN TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET. SO THAT'S THE SECOND BUDGET THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTED. THAT'S ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT. IT'S $6.7 MILLION. THAT BUDGET IS TWICE AS MUCH AS THE PRIOR YEAR. AND THE TWO BIG REASONS ARE A $3 MILLION ALLOTMENT, SO TO SPEAK, FOR SANDY BEACH PARK AND A $2.5 MILLION FOR THE LIBRARY EXPANSION. SO THOSE ARE OUR BIG INVESTMENTS FOR 2027. BUT THEN BRIAN CAN SHOW YOU IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET. YOU REMEMBER WE LOOKED AT THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO, TYLER, YOU WEREN'T ON AT THAT TIME. BUT SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME PARKS, PROJECTS AND PARKS EQUIPMENT THAT'S APPROVED FOR 2027. BUT IT'S COMMONS PARK SOUND SYSTEM, FAYETTEVILLE PARK BASKETBALL COURT. BRIAN TALKED ABOUT THE ATHLETIC INFIELD RESTORATION, A COMPACT LOADER AND THEN SOME TREE PLANTING AND TREE STUMP REMOVAL FOR OUR FORESTRY PROGRAM. SO THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS AND EQUIPMENT THAT'S APPROVED FOR 2027. ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL WE WANT, BUT THERE'S NO MONEY FOR IT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY LEAN YEAR OTHER THAN, LIKE I SAID, THAT THE BIG INVESTMENTS IN SANDY BEACH PARK. BUT I'M I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT FAYETTEVILLE BASKETBALL COURT IS ON AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED THAT WE GET THAT GRANT BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A REALLY NICE THING. YEAH, I THINK JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT IS WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, THAT GENERAL FUND REVENUES, THAT GENERAL FUND IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE, THE, THE, THE DIVISIONS, THE DEPARTMENTS UNDERNEATH BRIAN'S PURVIEW. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT THEY ARE REALLY THE ONES THAT ARE FULLY FUNDED FROM GENERAL GOVERNMENT, GENERAL PURPOSE REVENUE FUNDS THAT CAN BE SPENT ON ANY GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, A, A, A PARKS OPERATOR, A STREETS OPERATOR, A POLICE OFFICER, A, A MEMBER OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

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MEMBERS OF, OF SENIOR STAFF ARE DIVIDED UP AMONGST GOVERNMENTAL AND ENTERPRISE ACCOUNTS SO THAT THE THE IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND IS, IS LESS FROM ACTIVITIES SUCH AS THOSE. BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PURELY GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES, PURELY GENERAL FUND RELATED ACTIVITIES, WHEN YOU LOSE, WHEN YOU LOSE REVENUE AND YOU SEE A REVENUE REDUCTION, THERE'S REALLY ONLY SO MANY PLACES THE CITY CAN REMOVE EXPENDITURES IN ORDER TO MAKE UP FOR THAT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN, YOU KNOW, IN STREETS, PARKS, PUBLIC SAFETY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE EXPENDITURES LIE, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T YOU DON'T MAKE UP ANY GROUND BY REDUCING WATER UTILITY ACTIVITY. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GENERAL, THE GOVERNMENTAL SIDE OF OUR OF OUR BUDGET. SO WE HAVE THE FULL SUITE OF UTILITIES. WE HAVE WE HAVE TID FUNDS, WE HAVE SPECIAL REVENUE ACCOUNTS, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS WITHIN OUR CITY THAT ARE FULLY RELIANT UPON GENERAL FUND REVENUES. AND SO WHEN THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES DECREASE, THAT IS KIND OF WHERE YOU WHERE YOU'RE FORCED TO LOOK IN ORDER TO, TO BALANCE YOUR BUDGET. AND SO IT WASN'T A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, PICKING ON BRIAN'S DEPARTMENTS WHEN IT CAME TO BUDGET TIME, IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF A RESOURCE CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THE STATE HAS TOLD US, YOU CAN ONLY RAISE YOUR LEVY X AMOUNT BASED ON NET NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW STUFF THAT GOT BUILT IN THE CITY THAT THIS YEAR WAS 1.63%, 1.63% EQUATES TO $49,000 IN FUNDING, A 1% INCREASE TO EMPLOYEES COSTS $31,000. AN INCREASE TO HEALTH INSURANCE QUICKLY EATS UP, YOU KNOW, EATS THOSE THINGS UP. SO JUST CONTINUING TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE GETS MORE EXPENSIVE EVERY YEAR. AND THERE ISN'T A INFLATIONARY INCREASE IN STATE LAW FOR CITY OPERATIONS. AND SO IT IS IF THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE GROWTH TO SUSTAIN THAT, THEN THERE'S A CONTRACTION. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CITIES AND VILLAGES FACE ACROSS THE STATE AND CONTINUE TO FACE. AND YOU WILL SEE YOU HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THE CAPITAL SIDE BECAUSE THERE IS GREATER INDEPENDENCE OVER A CITY'S ABILITY TO PAY PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ON LONG TERM DEBT THAT IT TAKES OUT. BUT FOR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, WE ARE VERY MUCH RESOURCE CONSTRAINED BY THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AS FAR AS WHAT OUR TAX LEVY IS AVAILABLE TO DO, WHICH IS OUR LARGEST SOURCE OF REVENUE WITHIN THAT ACCOUNT. AND THEN SO THAT CAN ONLY INCREASE A CERTAIN AMOUNT. STATE REVENUE DROPPED BY $78,000 THIS YEAR.

STATE AID THAT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RETURN. SO THAT IS A REALITY MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN OF COURSE, OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT MIGHT REDUCE AS WELL CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. SO THESE ARE THERE ARE CERTAIN SERVICES THAT ARE FUNDED WITH CERTAIN FUNDS AND THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS PLACED UPON THEM. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU KIND OF SEE SOME STRESS, I WOULD SAY, PLACED ON THOSE THOSE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER FUNDING SOURCE FOR THEM RIGHT NOW. ON THE PLUS SIDE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AS A BOARD EVERY YEAR TO WEIGH IN ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN LIKE DRAKE AND BRIAN WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. SO I HOPE WE'LL THAT'LL BE A REGULAR THING THAT WE CAN HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IN JULY, AUGUST, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER IS THE RIGHT TIME BECAUSE THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE OUTDOOR REC PLAN AND WHAT CITIZENS ARE TELLING US. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROJECTS DO WE THINK WOULD BE THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD PRIORITIES FOR 2028. AND WE CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT AS THE BUDGET, AS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS BEING DEVELOPED, RIGHT. TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE ON ESPECIALLY THE CIP. SO I, YOU KNOW, ITEMS ARE IDENTIFIED BASICALLY AS LIFE EXPECTANCY IS RUNNING OUT ON THEM AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT THE CIP IS FLUID JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS 2028 THAT MAY BE PUSHED BACK TO 2030, AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE GET PUSHED UP AHEAD OF THAT, JUST UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE EQUIPMENT FAILURE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THINGS UP AND PUSH THINGS AHEAD IF NEED BE. DID I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE? BUT DO WE HAVE LIKE SOME FINAL NUMBERS FROM SANDY BEACH PARKING REVENUE THIS YEAR VERSUS 2025? 2020?

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WE WERE RIGHT ABOVE, RIGHT AT OR RIGHT ABOVE $40,000. SO A CLOSE TO DOUBLING FROM PREVIOUS YEAR FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT. OKAY. AND I WOULD EXPECT THE COUNCIL WILL PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT AGAIN IN THE SPRING AND SEE IF WE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT STRUCTURE AND THAT 40,000 THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE WE DON'T CONTEMPLATE CITATION REVENUE IN THAT NUMBER.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO PAID FOR PARKING. AND WERE THERE A DECENT AMOUNT OF CITATIONS THIS YEAR COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS? YES. OKAY.

[8. Old Business.]

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THERE IS A CONTEMPLATION OF MOORING. AND IT SAYS YOU MAY NOT MOOR WITHIN 50FT OF A SWIMMING AREA BECAUSE THAT'S WITHIN THE RIPARIAN ZONE. WE PROBABLY CAN ENFORCE THAT NOW.

PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, WE DON'T PATROL, AND I DON'T KNOW ONE OF OUR OFFICERS THAT'S GOING TO GO OUT INTO 50FT, OUT INTO THE WATER AND ACTUALLY LIKE WRITE A CITATION. BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWNSHIP BACK ALONG WITH THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY BRIAN AND IGAS INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS WHERE THE TOWNSHIP COULD ENFORCE OUR CODE SPECIFICALLY.

WELL, AND MAYBE JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT OUR CODE DOES NOT SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO BE 50FT FROM A SWIM AREA. IT SAYS YOU CANNOT BE IN A SWIMMING AREA IN A SWIMMING. AND I THINK THERE WAS A REFERENCE IN SOME OLDER PARKS BOARD MINUTES THAT STATED THAT INCORRECTLY. SO. YEAH.

THAT'S INTERESTING. YEAH. IF A MOTOR BOAT IS NAVIGATING NEXT TO THE SWIM LINES, BUT THEY DON'T GO INTO THE SWIM LINES AND THEY'RE GOING SLOW. NO WAKE, THEY'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY BOATING RULES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO CALL THE TOWN TO ENFORCE. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING, THERE'S NOTHING TO ENFORCE. HYPOTHETICALLY, IF THERE WAS A SIGN THERE THAT SAID NO BEACHING OF A BOAT, AND SOMEONE TOOK A PICTURE OF THAT BOAT'S LICENSE PLATE, I DON'T THINK THERE COULD BE ISSUED A CITATION AS MY ASSUMPTION. BUT WOULD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WRITE A LETTER SAYING THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE? AND WOULD THAT OR IS THAT JUST A WASTE OF TIME? WE DON'T HAVE SUCH RULES RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, THE DNR MAY SAY A WARDEN COULD CITE FOR THAT SPECIFIC ACTIVITY. THAT THAT'S NOVEL, BUT A POLICE LETTER WOULD JUST BASICALLY HAS NO TEETH. WELL, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S TOOTHLESS. I'M NOT.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. OKAY. I WOULD IF IT'S A ORDINANCE THAT'S ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT PROTECTS ITS PROPERTY INTEREST AND THE POLICE OFFICER HAS LEGAL ACCESS TO THAT POINT, I THINK IT CAN BE ENFORCED. SO BUT THERE'S A DISTINCT POINT. IT'S BLURRY,

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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS. AND THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE PICTURES AND VIDEOS THAT MIKE NIESMAN HAD SHARED WERE. THAT EXAMPLE WHERE PASSENGERS WERE HOPPING OUT OF BOATS AND WADING INTO SHORE SO THE BOAT WASN'T GOING ALL THE WAY INTO SHORE. CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY? I DON'T HAVE A BOAT. NOBODY'S INVITED ME ON A BOAT SINCE I MOVED HERE. ARE YOU MAKING A REQUEST? THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE QUORUM, AND WE'D ALL TAKE YOU ON ON THAT.

SO I THINK YOU SAID WE DON'T HAVE A BOAT PATROL, RIGHT? WE DO NOT. THE TOWN OF LAKE MILLS DOES. HOW OFTEN ARE THEY OUT THERE? THIS YEAR THEY WERE DEFINITELY BUSIER THAN THEY HAD BEEN IN RECENT YEARS PAST. THEY DO NOT HAVE FULL TIME STAFF. THEIR BOAT PATROL IS PART TIME.

THEY HAVE A PART TIME CHIEF AND THAT'S THEIR THAT'S THEIR POLICE FORCE. THEY DO HAVE SOME LAND PATROL, SOME CAR PATROL, BUT IT IS SPARSE. HOW OFTEN ARE THEY ON THE LAKE DURING THE SEASON? I KNOW THEY MAKE AN EFFORT TO BE PRESENT. THEN THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL THAT THE DNR IS OUT THERE AND THEY CAN CITE AS WELL. THEY HAVE JURISDICTION. SO HOW OFTEN? I CAN'T REALLY SAY. THIS YEAR. I KNOW THAT THEY WERE OUT THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN THAN THEY HAD BEEN IN YEARS PAST. THERE WAS A VERY RELIABLE, RETIRED JEFFERSON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAPTAIN. I BELIEVE HE MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN AN INVESTIGATOR. ANYWAY, WHEN HE RETIRED, HE WAS HE USED HIS BOAT FRONTAGE OR HIS LAKE FRONTAGE AND HIS BOAT TO ENGAGE IN BOAT PATROL ON BEHALF OF THE TOWNSHIP. THAT WAS VERY RELIABLE. HE WAS OUT THERE WITH REGULARITY WHEN HE STOPPED DOING THAT. THEY HAVE TROUBLE FILLING THAT NEED. SO HOW MUCH? NOT AS MUCH AS PROBABLY AS NEEDED OR POTENTIALLY DESIRED, BECAUSE THAT THAT RAISES A SECONDARY CONCERN, WHICH IS OPERATING WHILE INTOXICATED. ABSOLUTELY. THEY DO WRITE THAT CITATION. I'VE SEEN IT. WHAT REGULATIONS WE HAVE, WHAT SIGNAGE WE HAVE. IT WON'T MATTER. THAT'S FAIR. I, I HAD A FRIEND THAT WAS IN THE TOWNSHIP AND I WAS TOLD THE NUMBERS, THE CITY OR THE TOWNSHIP, EXCUSE ME, TOWNSHIP SETS ASIDE 30 HOURS A MONTH. HOWEVER, EACH BOAT HAS TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON IT. SO THAT'S 15 HOURS A MONTH OF PATROLS OVER AN ENTIRE MONTH.

AND THEN THEY PICK THE SUMMER BUSY TIMES. THEY PICK HOLIDAYS BECAUSE THERE'S A TON OF PEOPLE OUT ON. YEAH. SO AND IT IS WITHOUT DOUBT THAT ROCK LAKE IS SEEING MORE VOLUME AND LARGER CRAFT 100%. OUR LITTLE LAKE HAS A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON IT AT THIS POINT. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LIKE GOING TO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK THAT'S WHERE KIND OF OUR FOCUS, MY FOCUS GOES TO, RIGHT? WE CAN'T WE'RE POWERLESS ON, YOU KNOW, A SIGN DOESN'T DO MUCH. A BOY DOESN'T DO MUCH. THE OFFICER'S NOT GOING OUT THERE. RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE ANSWER IS KIND OF UNFORTUNATELY GOING MORE RESTRICTING AS FAR AS GETTING OFFICERS. BUT I THINK THE ANSWER IS ENFORCEMENT AND GETTING MORE DISCUSSION AND MORE COMMUNITY ACTION AND GETTING THOSE JOBS SO THAT WE GET SOMEBODY OR A SHIFT. RIGHT. MY DAD DID BOAT PATROL FOR RANDALL FOR 20 YEARS. IT WAS ALL RETIREES AND PEOPLE THAT NEEDED EXTRA WORK. THEY LOVED IT. THEY LOVED BEING ON THE BEACH. THEY LOVE TALKING WITH PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY AND EVEN PULLING OVER PEOPLE THAT ARE DRINKING, RIGHT? THEY LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY GET TO BE OUT THERE AND SAVING PEOPLE OR PROTECTING THEM EVEN WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO HAVE FUN. SO I THINK IT'S A POSITION THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE HARD TO FILL BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE THROUGH HIM. RIGHT. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE FOCUS IS, BECAUSE ALL

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SO THAT ALSO GOT ME WONDERING. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DIMINISH CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, LIKE, HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM IS THIS? AND MAYBE THE WAY TO GET MORE ENFORCEMENT IS TO SHOW THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM. AND IF THE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE NOT GETTING CALLS AND COMPLAINTS EITHER CITIZENS DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A VIOLATION OR THEY DON'T KNOW WHO TO CALL OR IT'S NOT HAPPENING THAT MUCH. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT TO TAKE WITH THAT, BUT IT WAS JUST INTERESTING THAT THEY HAD NOT GOTTEN ANY CALLS OR COMPLAINTS BASED UPON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. IT'S NOT JUST BARTELS EITHER. SO IT'S MULTIPLE SWIMMING AREAS AND BASED ON THEM BEING THERE CONSTANTLY, I BELIEVE YOU STATED HE LIVES THERE. HE'S SEEING THAT OFTEN, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT. I THINK WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BARTELS RIGHT NOW. IS IT SPECIFICALLY NOT ALLOWED? IT'S NOT LEGAL BY BOAT STANDARDS TO BRING A BOAT OR TO COME IN AND WADE IN. SO THE IDEA THAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS WAS ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEMBERS HAD VIDEO OF MOTOR BOATS OPERATING RIGHT NEXT TO THE SWIMMING ROPE, AND THE WINDS WOULD BLOW THEM TOWARDS THE SWIMMERS. SO THE VIDEO WE SAW SHOWED A SPINNING MOTOR ESSENTIALLY UNDERNEATH THE SWIM ROPE. OKAY. AND IT'S NOT. ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SWIM ROPE. SO IT'S KIND OF CREATING THIS STRANGE BOTTLENECK. AND THE HARDEST THING WERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PRESENTED AS A PROBLEM. AND WE'RE NOT ENTIRELY. YEAH, THERE'S A LAW THAT EXISTS. AND IF IT DOES EXIST, I DON'T THINK WE COULD EVEN ENFORCE IT. YEAH. IT DOESN'T. I THINK THERE'S LIKE SIGNS AT THE BOAT LAUNCH AND THINGS ABOUT WHAT THE RULES ARE. BUT YOU GO DOWN TO BARTELS AND THE SIGN THAT THEY HAVE IS GLOBAL HERITAGE AREA. WATER TRAILS DROP IN. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS A SIGN THAT AT LEAST WOULD DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING YOUR MOTORBOAT INTO THIS AREA, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ENFORCEABLE. IT MIGHT BE AT LEAST AN INFORMATIONAL LIKE WE DON'T WANT THE BOATS HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S. I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE AS I WAS JUST KIND OF WORKING ON THIS MEMO ON MY OWN AND KIND OF BRAINSTORMING, LIKE, WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES? WE COULD JUST HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, UPPER ROCK LAKE PARK IN SANDY BEACH PARK, HAVE PIERS FOR RESTROOM ACCESS. YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S THE REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING IN TO SHORE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ALL THE REASONS ARE THAT PEOPLE NAVIGATE THERE, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THEM.

IF THAT'S THE REASON, JUST ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO ELSEWHERE. NOW, IT'S NOT ENFORCEMENT, IT'S

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I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING A PIER TO EITHER OF THESE PLACES. FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T HAVE $100,000 TO ADD TWO DOCKS. I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH A LAW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE TEETH, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR SOMEONE'S STANDING IN THE WATER. I, I'M IT'S VERY SURPRISING THAT THE LAKE IS PATROLLED AS LITTLE AS IT IS FOR AS BUSY AS IT IS, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S 1500 1400 ACRES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, BOTH BOAT LAUNCHES ARE PACKED ON A SATURDAY AND THERE'S SO MANY BOATS. I REMEMBER BEING THERE THE SUMMER AND COUNTING. 17 BOATS BEACHED AT SANDY BEACH ALONE. AND IT'S IT'S A BUSY LAKE. AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S NOT MORE PATROL. AND IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, THE TOWNSHIP, I FEEL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO. I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF EXACTLY WHAT MIKE SAID. SAY, MOTORBOATS DISCOURAGED A SIGN THAT YOU KNOW, ISN'T LEGALLY BINDING IN ANY WAY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'S A CONCERNED PARENT THAT WOULD SAY, GET OUT OF HERE, MOTORBOATS, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AUTHORITY WE HAVE. YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD JUST I WOULD JUST PUT OUT THERE, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN DOES WHAT THEY CAN WITH THE RESOURCES THEY HAVE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MIGHT BE A DESIRE FOR MORE FOR MORE PATROL HOURS, BUT THEY ARE THEY ARE A TOWNSHIP OF, OF 2000 PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, DOES HAVE A BUSY LAKE IN THEIR JURISDICTION. AND I THINK THAT.

BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE. THEY'RE STILL RISING EMS COSTS, RISING FIRE COSTS, RISING ROAD, YOU KNOW, ROAD MAINTENANCE COSTS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH, THEY THEY DO TO TO SOME EXTENT AS WELL. AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY, THEY, THEY MAKE DO WITH THE, WITH THE PART TIME POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY HAVE. AND SO I THINK WE CAN OBVIOUSLY ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO SEE IF THERE ARE IF THERE ARE WAYS FOR THE CITY TO PARTNER WITH THE TOWNSHIP ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS, WHETHER THAT IS IS SOME WAY TO TO USE OUR RESOURCES IN CONJUNCTION. BUT I GUESS IN, IN MEANS OF, OF DEFENSE OF A FELLOW MUNICIPALITY, IT IS DIFFICULT TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY SERVICES AND THE SERVICES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY ALL WANT TO PROVIDE UNDER THE RESOURCE RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE. AND I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY FACE THE SAME QUESTIONS WE DO PERHAPS ON A ON A DIFFERENT SCALE. AND WITH THEY HAVE STATUTORY OBLIGATIONS AS WELL AS FAR AS WHAT SERVICES THEY PROVIDE AND HOW THEY MANAGE THAT. SO I'M, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE THAT THEY MAY VERY WELL HAVE THE SAME DESIRE AS, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE OF ADDITIONAL PATROL HOURS. BUT REALITY HAS, HAS A WAY OF, OF SETTLING IN FOR ALL OF US WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MEETING THE DEMANDS OF OUR OF OUR SERVICE AREAS, DOES IT SHOULD THE SIGN BE HOW MANY HOURS THE THE LAKE IS ACTUALLY PATROLLED TO LIKE WARN OFF SWIMMERS AND BOATERS THAT IT'S NOT BEING PATROLLED? I THINK I THINK IT'S KIND OF NUTS, RIGHT? THE SAFETY ISSUE THAT THAT'S PRESENTED, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS 51% OF THE SHORELINE, RIGHT? I SAID THAT, AND THAT'S ROUGH. WHAT I WHAT I WAS REALLY SAYING IS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS A MAJORITY OF IT'S NOT 5050. IT'S CERTAINLY SKEWED IN THE TOWNSHIP'S FAVOR. MAYBE IT'S 55%. BUT BECAUSE OF THAT FACT, THEY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE SURFACE OF THE LAKE.

SO I WAS THINKING, WAS THERE ANY. YEAH. SO WE COULDN'T EVEN LOOK AT POTENTIAL FUNDING THROUGH JEFFERSON COUNTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR HELP HERE TO GET SOMEBODY WHO'S FULL TIME JUST FOR US, LIKE CITY, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP FUNDING SOURCE. IF THAT DOESN'T COME FROM THE CITY AND OUR, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUND, I DON'T KNOW THE STATE, THE DNR, JEFFERSON COUNTY, THESE WOULD BE OTHER ENTITIES THAT COULD I'M NOT AWARE OF THEM RUSHING TO DO SO. DO THEY DOES THE DNR OR

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SO THERE IS SOME ROOM THERE, BUT IT'S IT'S PRETTY TIGHT. THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH ROOM. I MEAN, ONE THING I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER AND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDER THE OUR CITY PARKS THAT ARE ON WATERFRONT LIKE TYRANNY PARK AND BARTELS BEACH AND SANDY BEACH PARK. I MEAN, WE ARE ENTITLED TO DEVELOP THEM FOR THE USE OF EVERYONE, JUST LIKE A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE PEOPLE COMING TO YOU, SANDY BEACH PARK THAT MAY BE COMING CLOSE TO WOODLAND BEACH OR TO MISTER MANLEY'S PROPERTY NEARBY, YOU KNOW THEY ARE STILL ENTITLED TO NAVIGATE IN ALL THE WATERS AND TO COME UP TO CITY PARK LAND. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO ANYTHING IN THE WAY THAT WE DEVELOP OUR PARKS THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO STRAY OVER ONTO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. BUT WE STILL ARE ENTITLED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE OUR PARKS BE, YOU KNOW, FULLY ACCESSIBLE TO. SO IT'S KIND OF A BALANCING ACT THERE. I THINK MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN USE OUR PARKS. SO I JUST WANT TO VERIFY, BRIAN, CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT? AM I SEEING THE SWIM ROPE BASICALLY DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE FIRST CAR? SO THAT SECONDARY AREA, THAT'S KAYAK CANOE LAUNCH. SO THAT'S 40FT ESSENTIALLY OF KAYAK CANOE. YEAH. COUNT THE NUMBER OF SPACES. THE CAR SPACE IS THERE FIVE SPACES, EIGHT FEET A CAR. YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY PRETTY CLOSE. AND I THINK PHIL'S PROPERTY ACTUALLY IS LIKE THE LINE IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT, PROBABLY IN THAT TREE LINE.

WELL, AND REALLY THAT'S JUST THAT'S PUBLIC PARKING FOR ANYTHING ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET OR PHIL MANLY'S TRUCK IS THERE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS JUST PEOPLE USING BARTELS BEACH PARK. MIKE, YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING EARLIER. I WANTED TO ASK YOU A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON BECAUSE YOU COMMENTED ABOUT THE, THE PUT AND TAKE OUT SIGN THERE. THAT KIND OF MAKES THAT A DE FACTO LAUNCH, RIGHT, FOR NON-MOTORIZED BOATS. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LAUNCH IN THE MILL POND THAT'S A FORMAL LAUNCH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SETTING UP THAT NON-MOTORIZED ACCESS AREAS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE CONGESTION, I GUESS, IN THAT AREA. BUT WERE YOU THINKING THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT BE A NON-MOTORIZED LAUNCH OR. NO, I THINK IT'S FINE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY CLARIFIES THAT. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A NON-MOTORIZED LAUNCH TOO.

IT JUST KIND OF HAS A PICTURE OF A CANOE KIND OF ASSUMED. BUT I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE MAYBE LAUNCHED FOR NON-MOTORIZED BOATS ONLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST LETS PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE GOING. THERE COULD BE PART OF THE SIGNAGE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I WOULD HAVE NO PERSONAL PROBLEM. LIKE, I KNOW THAT BARTELS IS GETTING BUSIER AND BUSIER AS A SWIM AREA. I HAVE NO OPPOSITION TO EXTENDING THAT SWIM AREA NORTH, BUT IT IS. AM I CORRECT

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YEAH, THIS IS, THIS COULD BE A SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE FACING, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO ATTEMPT TO SOLVE ONE ISSUE AND CREATE ANOTHER ONE. YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO AN ISSUE WITH REGARD TO RIPARIAN RIGHTS THERE TO THE NORTH. I DID JUST PULL UP PHIL'S THE PROPERTY LINE, AND IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT WONKY. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM WITH THE PARK THAN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, BUT IT'S IT'S PRETTY TIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO REALLY DO MULTIPLE ACTIVITIES. IF YOU MOVE THAT LINE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THE SWIMMING AREA, I THINK YOU DEDICATE THE ENTIRE AREA TO SWIMMING AND JUST SAY BOATS AREN'T WELCOME HERE. THEY STILL HAVE THE MILL POND LAUNCH. THEY HAVE MOTOR CRAFT LAUNCH AT FERRY OR AT SANDY BEACH PARK. YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU YOU CAN REALLY DO NUMEROUS ACTIVITIES AT THAT LITTLE SITE. WOULD YOU BE THINKING ABOUT MOVING THE WHOLE SWIMMING AREA, LIKE KEEPING THE SIZE OF IT AND MOVING IT TO THE NORTH OR MAKING IT LARGER, LARGER? I KNOW IT'S GETTING CROWDED. I KNOW THAT IT'S GETTING A LOT BUSIER BECAUSE SANDY BEACH OBVIOUSLY CHARGES A PARKING FEE. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S IT FEELS BUSIER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A PERCEPTION OF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IN MY IN MY OPINION OF THESE OPTIONS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH WE CAN DO. BRIAN. DOES THAT ARIEL HAPPEN TO SHOW THE SOUTHERN PLACE WHERE THE SWIM AREA ATTACHES? IS THAT RIGHT BY THE SEAWALL? IT'S BASICALLY RIGHT THERE AT THAT CORNER. THAT INTERSECTION SEAWALL STARTS KIND OF. YEAH.

THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF THAT WASN'T AN OPTION. THAT IS. BUT IT WOULD COST MONEY IS IF YOU JUST BUILT LIKE. BRIAN, CAN YOU SCROLL NORTH, POSSIBLY SEE THAT LITTLE TINY SET OF STAIRS? IF YOU RECREATED THAT ON THE SEAWALL SOMEWHERE, MAYBE A HUNDRED YARDS SOUTH OF THE BEACH, PEOPLE COULD BEACH THERE, USE THOSE SET OF STAIRS, AND THEY'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM ALL THE SWIMMERS. AND THERE'S NO DOCK. THERE'S NO PIER TO BE INSTALLED. IT'S LITERALLY GET OUT, GO TO THE BATHROOM, BEACH, YOUR BOAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF INSTALLING A SET OF STAIRS WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. I'M AN OCCASIONAL MOTORBOAT USER, NOT AN EXPERIENCED MOTORBOAT USER, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT WILL BE A HARD PLACE TO MANAGE YOUR BOAT BECAUSE THE WAVES ARE GOING TO BE. YEAH, YOU KNOW, KNOCKING AGAINST THE SEAWALL. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE YOUR BOAT VERY EASILY. AND THE WATER IS DEEPER AT THE END OF THE SEAWALL. THE REASON PEOPLE GO WHERE THEY GO IS IT'S CLOSE TO THE BATHROOM AND IT'S SHALLOW.

SO IT'S EASY, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF GO IN AND OUT. WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING POTENTIALLY HAVING SOMETHING AT THE LAST TIME. IF WE WERE HAVING BOATS MORE OR LESS ADVERTISED THAT THEY COULD GO THERE INSTEAD, BECAUSE THAT'S ON, IT'S ANOTHER OPTION. RATHER THAN GOING TO BARTELS TO GO THERE, FOR WHAT PURPOSE? LIKE TO USE THE RESTROOM? YEAH. SO IT'S FARTHER FROM SHORE.

IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO SEWER, RIGHT. I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE IT'S JUST A PIT TOILET. YEAH.

SO IT'S NOT AS PLEASING A SITUATION, I GUESS. I GUESS IT'S A FAR NORTH LINE. SOME OF IT IS A POTTY, SOME OF IT'S A POLICY DISCUSSION. AND IN YEARS PAST, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN RELUCTANT FOR. MAN MADE STRUCTURES AT TERESINA TO TRY AND MAINTAIN IT AS MORE OF A NATURAL AREA. SO SOME OF THAT'S A POLICY DISCUSSION THAT WOULD. FOR THE PARKS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL TO GRAPPLE WITH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NECESSARILY WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM PUTTING IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD EASE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE. THE PAST PRIORITY FOR TURNING PARK HAS BEEN TO MAINTAIN IT AS MORE OF A NATURAL AREA, AS ONE OF OF LAKE FOREST THAN INSTALLATION OF A LOT OF AMENITIES. SO THAT'S ONLY THE PAST DISCUSSION THOUGH. SO IT CERTAINLY ONE THAT YOU COULD REINITIATE. YEAH, IT WAS JUST A SAFETY CONCERN VERSUS A, YOU KNOW, HAVING PEOPLE USE A PARK, WHETHER IT'S TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AND MAYBE THEY LOOK AROUND AND THEY ENJOY IT TOO. OR, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF IT IS KIND OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I COULD GO THERE RIGHT NOW AND USE THE BATHROOM. IT'S NOT CHANGING THE USE OF IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S JUST ALLOWING ACCESS IF THEY WANTED IT. AND IT'S KIND OF ON THAT SAME SIDE OF OR GOING TOWARDS THAT SAME SIDE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY I THINK WE HAD

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THAT'S THE COUNTY PARK. OKAY. SO AND THAT HAS A LAUNCH AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT THIS OBLONG LAKE. AND SO PEOPLE, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE NAVIGATING AND WHEN SOMEBODY HAS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE WHERE THEY WANT TO GO, I GUESS. YEAH. AGAINST ANY, ANY ENCOURAGEMENT OF BOATS BEING HERE. SO EVEN LIKE THE STAIRS, RIGHT? BEING AROUND BARTELS. SO IF WE CAN PREVENT THAT SIGNAGE, FINE. BUT I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE VOCAL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S PATROLLING THIS LAKE AND MAKING IT SAFE. I THINK IF I WERE TO THROW A RECOMMENDATION OUT, IT WOULD BE A SIGN THAT SAYS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF MOTOR BOATS DISCOURAGED. AND I HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN ENTER AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP, THAT THERE'S AN EXPANSION OF USE FOR THE DOCKS AT SANDY BEACH AND AT ROCK LAKE COUNTY PARK. SO THE NORTH SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE, EACH HAS ACCESS TO A BATHROOM. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE SHOULD DISCOURAGE BOATS AT BARTELS, BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT PEOPLE NEED TO DOCK THEIR BOAT OCCASIONALLY AND TAKE A BREAK FROM THE WATER. I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO CREATE THIS SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T WANT A BOAT TO DOCK ANYWHERE, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF FOOLISH. I KNOW I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE IS A PLACE TO GO. I KNOW THE SANDBAR USED TO BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WOULD STOP AND GO TO THE BATHROOM AND GRAB A DRINK AND GO BACK OUT. BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF SANDY BEACH, WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF AN OPTION, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE CAN PULL UP, GO TO THE BATHROOM, GET A SANDWICH, OR GO TO THE NORTH SIDE AND GET A, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE BATHROOM. BUT AND IF WE WERE GOING TO VOTE RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY A SIMPLE SIGN THAT SAYS MOTOR BOATS DISCOURAGED FOR SAFETY, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN. SO SINCE IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THREE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN, 11, 12. LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO EXPLORE IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE MORE THAN ONE OPTION, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH, I DON'T SEE A SIGN POSTING SIGNS ON THE SHORELINE. WE KNOW MOTORIZED BOATS. WELL, WE'VE BEEN GOING HERE FOR ABOUT 2.5 HOURS, SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND HELP FACILITATE THIS. TYLER, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THIS SUGGESTION? WHERE ARE YOU AT? I THINK THE SIGN IS A FINE FIRST STEP IS PROBABLY WHERE I'M AT AND SEE IF THAT DOES THE INTENDED INTENDED HOPE THAT IT DOES DISCOURAGE MOTOR BOATS BEFORE WE GET INTO SOMETHING MORE RESTRICTIVE. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE OPTION SEVEN, WHERE IT'S. YES. YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE SEVEN, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DNR WOULD LET US INSTALL THE BOUY. YEAH THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. MIKE, DO WE HAVE A. YEAH, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF A SIGN. AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EXPLORE WITH DNR ABOUT EXPANDING SOME SWIM AREAS. YOU KNOW, IF IT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE ISSUES DOWN, EVEN AT SANDY BEACH AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF DOES DNR MAINTAIN A LIKE A MAP SHOWING WHERE DESIGNATED SWIMMING AREAS ARE. THEY REQUIRE PERMITS FOR THOSE DESIGNATED SWIM AREAS.

AND SO PROBABLY BRIAN WILL BE NEEDING TO TALK WITH THEM ANYWAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REDESIGNING THE SWIM AREAS AT SANDY BEACH PARK. SO I'M SURE HE CAN FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT OUR OPTIONS MIGHT BE. AS FAR AS ME, I SAY SIGNAGE THAT SAYS MOTORBOATS DISCOURAGED FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. AND I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS WAYS TO MAKE SANDY BEACH MORE ACCESSIBLE. I HOPE THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, INVOLVE THE TOWNSHIP, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE CAN DO HERE TODAY. SO, MISS CURLER, I'M GOING TO GO LAST BECAUSE I WROTE THE MEMO. SO I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ELSE FIRST. SO I'M NOT HITTING CLEANUP HERE KYLE. SO LIKE I STATED I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH INCLUDING THE RECOMMENDATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL. I DON'T SEE STOPPING AT A SIGN IS NEEDED. I THINK, YOU KNOW, SAYING EXPLORING OPTIONS OF MAKING A VIOLATION TO DRIVE THROUGH A SWIMMING AREA SEEMS PRETTY COMMON SENSE, ISN'T IT ALREADY A VIOLATION? YEAH, IT'S A IT'S A BOATING VIOLATION. OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED BY THE TOWN. RIGHT. BUT WE COULD. SO THAT'S THAT'S ON THE BOOKS. WE WE'D HAVE TO WHAT WOULD BE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS MOTORBOAT ACCESS TO THE PARK OR SOMETHING. IF WE COULD. YEAH. I GUESS WE RUN INTO THAT ISSUE AS THE SURFACE ISSUE. OR IS THIS YOUR RIPARIAN YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE? THERE WOULD BE A LINE WHERE YOU COULD PROHIBIT THEM FROM ACCESSING THE PARK. IF IT'S MOORING AND IT'S NOT WITHIN 50FT OF THE PIER OR WITHIN A

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SO I WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION JUST TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING.

RIGHT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, REQUESTING INCREASED ENFORCEMENT BY TOWN OF LAKE MILLS SAYING, HEY, THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE FOR US AS WELL. SO EXPANSIVE THREE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, TEN, 11, AND 12. I LIKE, BUT I AGREE WITH ALSO THE RECOMMENDATION ON SIGNAGE. LISA.

SO I GUESS JUST IN TERMS OF THE OPTION NUMBERS, I AM IN FAVOR OF SEVEN AND TEN. SO BASICALLY AN INFORMATIONAL SIGN THAT DISCOURAGES MOTORBOAT USE TELLS PEOPLE WHERE THERE ARE BATHROOMS AND, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES AND OTHER PLACES ON THE LAKE AND ENCOURAGING PARK USERS TO REPORT VIOLATION BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE TOWN IS GOING TO BE MOTIVATED TO INCREASE THEIR ENFORCEMENT IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO THINK THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM.

SO UNTIL PEOPLE START REPORTING THINGS THAT THEY SEE AND IF THEY'RE VIOLATIONS, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET ANY TRACTION WITH THAT. I DO FEEL LIKE I DISAGREE WITH YOU.

RESPECTFULLY, KYLE, ON I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SUPPORT AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS PEOPLE TO GO FROM ONE PUBLICLY ALLOWED PLACE TO ANOTHER PUBLICLY ALLOWED PLACE. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO NAVIGATE IN THE WATERS OF ROCK LAKE. BARTELS BEACH IS A PUBLIC PARK. SO I, I GUESS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY I HAVE A CONCERN WITH TELLING PEOPLE, WELL, YOU'RE YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC USING A PUBLIC SPACE, BUT NOW YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COME TO THIS OTHER PUBLIC SPACE THAT, THAT THAT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME. BUT I DO THINK SAFETY IS IMPORTANT. SO I'M OPEN TO MORE DISCUSSION, I GUESS. SO I GUESS, IS ANYONE ON THIS BOARD OPPOSED TO I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT NUMBER SEVEN AND NUMBER TEN, WITH THE INTENT TO ADDRESS FURTHER. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THOSE IDEAS? I ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO ADDRESS FURTHER? BECAUSE PART OF MY GOAL WAS TO NOT HAVE THIS ON EVERY AGENDA.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS IS, I THINK THAT NEXT SUMMER WILL GIVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION. IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS FURTHER, IF THESE SIGNS ARE SUFFICIENT AND IF THE TOWNSHIP GETS ENOUGH PHONE CALLS SAYING, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE NEED YOU OUT HERE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SAFETY ISSUES. AND LIKE, MAYBE THEY CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT WORK, OR MAYBE THEY CAN WORK WITH US TO MAKE IT WORK. OR, YOU KNOW, JEFFERSON COUNTY OR THE DNR. BUT I MEAN, THAT IS KIND OF I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO READDRESS THIS TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, A SIGN SIGN, SIMPLE SIGNAGE HELPS. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IF I SAW A SIGN THAT SAID MOTORBOATS DISCOURAGED, I WOULD BACK UP. SO NUMBER SIX ALSO HAVE TO SIGN FOR APPLICABLE BOATING REGULATIONS, SHOULD WE SAY INCLUDE THAT? OR ARE WE JUST SAYING, I'M SAYING SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS BOAT MOTOR BOATS DISCOURAGED SOMETHING BECAUSE I DON'T IF IF WE'RE JUST USING REGULATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE BREAKING A LAW. THEY'RE JUST KIND OF BEING INCONSIDERATE. WELL, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG SIGN. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE ONE CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT'S AT THE, IT'S I'M TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW BIG IT IS, BUT IT'S AT ALL THE LANDINGS AND IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY SIZABLE SIGN THAT LISTS ALL THE BOATING REGULATIONS THAT PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AWARE OF. SO IF IF IT'S NOT A LAUNCH, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO BE. ONE OF THE THINGS IS PEOPLE THAT ARE BORN PRIOR TO A CERTAIN YEAR DON'T EVEN NEED TO GO BOATING LICENSE. I THINK THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IN 19TH JANUARY FIRST, 1989. YEAH. SO I COULD GET A LICENSE. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING.

SO I LIKE HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE, OH, I CAN'T DO THIS RIGHT. I COULD DO A QR CODE. YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. THAT WOULD BE A WAY OF AVOIDING A BIG SIGN. BUT YEAH, YEAH, WE HAVE BEEN GOING A LONG TIME. SO SEVEN AND TEN. AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO READDRESS TO READDRESS AFTER THAT IS WHAT I THINK. YEAH. IF THINGS CHANGE MY MOTION AND IT'S LIKE, OBVIOUSLY SAFETY IS IMPORTANT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN JUST DO A LOT OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS. SO I WANT TO SAY LIKE, I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU GUYS WHATSOEVER. AND I DON'T KNOW

[02:30:03]

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ON THAT, BUT I THINK EVERYONE'S KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGED THAT YOU REALLY HAVE LIMITED AUTHORITY OR LIMITED ABILITY TO IMPACT CONCERNING USE IN THIS AREA.

EXCEPT THERE'S ONE GLARING SOLUTION TO ME THAT'S ON THE PAGE LIKE THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOAL OF LIMITING MOTORBOAT ACCESS TO THE SHORELINE OF BARTELS BEACH. DOES THE DNR RESTRICT THAT? THEY AS AS MISS CURLER AND I DISCUSSED, SHE DID THE THE HARD LEGWORK HERE I WAS UNDER A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY COULD EXPAND ITS SWIMMING AREA AND ITS RIPARIAN ZONE BASICALLY FREELY. MISS CURLER DID NOTIFY ME AFTER TALKING TO THE DNR THAT A. THE SWIM AREA THAT WE HAVE IS PERMITTED BY THE DNR, AND B IT'S ALREADY RELATIVELY LARGE IN SIZE, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS AND A REVIEW AND A DECISION FROM THE DNR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD EXPAND THE SWIM AREA TO THE NORTH. SO THAT'S IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE. AND ONCE AGAIN, I'M REALLY NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ON THAT BY ANY MEANS.

I JUST THINK THAT YOU'VE UNDERSTOOD THE REAL DIFFICULTY IN CREATING AND THEN ENFORCING A LAW IN THIS AREA WITH THE JURISDICTIONAL AND THE PRACTICAL ISSUES THAT ARE IN PLACE. WELL, WE COULD DO. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF NUMBER TWO, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW IF IT WOULD BE ALLOWED OR NOT. BUT, I MEAN, WE COULD ADD TO, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDING ESSENTIALLY SEVEN AND TEN AND ASK STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF EXTENDING THE SWIMMING WITH DNR OF EXTENDING THE SWIM AREA. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, BRIAN'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE CALLING THEM ANYWAY ABOUT SANDY BEACH. SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING HE COULD LOOK INTO OVER TIME.

CAN YOU SCROLL EAST? BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE TINY DOCK IN THE MILL POND, AND I WONDER IF THAT COULD BASICALLY BECOME KAYAK LAUNCH. THERE IS. THERE IS NON-MOTORIZED CRAFT LAUNCH SLIGHTLY SOUTH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT. YEAH, MAYBE BASICALLY LIKE KIND OF ESSENTIALLY WHERE THAT CHANNEL IS. I BELIEVE THERE'S A LITTLE TINY DOCK. THERE'S, THERE'S ONE ON EACH SIDE, NORTH AND SOUTH. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT REALLY DOCKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT EVEN REALLY. PIERS, YOU'RE TALKING OKAY, YOU'RE TALKING BY THE RAINBOW BRIDGE IN THE, IN THE MILL POND. YEAH, JUST OVER THAT WAY. GO BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD. I MEAN, I, I DO AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF EXPANDING IT BECAUSE I THINK IT COULD BE BIGGER. I THINK IT'S GETTING BUSIER. IT IS. AND WELL, LET'S FIND OUT RIGHT NOW, SWIMMING AREA OPTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THAT NEXT STEP, I THINK. YEAH, RIGHT NOW THE SIMPLEST THING WE COULD DO IS SIGNAGE. BUT I AM NOT OPPOSED AT ALL TO EXPANDING THE SWIM AREA IN THE FUTURE. AND I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT. AND IF IT MEANS THAT PEOPLE GOT TO LAUNCH AT THE MILL POND AS OPPOSED TO BARTELS BEACH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THAT MUCH OF A SACRIFICE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION WITH THE IDEA OF ADDRESSING THAT IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO. SO MY MOTION I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR SEVEN ASSIGNED DISCOURAGES MOTORBOATS AND TEN WITH THE GOAL OF DISCUSSING IT FURTHER WHETHER THAT BE EXPANDING THE SWIM AREA. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO PUT A DOCK IN. I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, JUST THAT WE'RE REQUESTING STAFF TO EXPLORE THE OPTION OF EXTENDING THE SWIMMING AREA AND OKAY, THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY DNR SAYS NO WAY. AND THEN WE'LL KNOW THAT. THAT'S FOR SURE. IN THE YEAH. THEN NOT IN THE VERBIAGE. OH, MOTORBOATS, DO WE NEED AN ATTORNEY WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US OUT FOR THE MOTORBOATS DISCOURAGED FOR SAFETY. I THINK THAT'S A SIMPLE SIGN. MOTORBOATS DISCOURAGED FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AND WHETHER IT CAN BE PIGGYBACKED ONTO THE CANOE. AND DO WE WANT TO ALSO SAY WHERE THERE ARE BATHROOMS OR. DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. I WOULD PREFER JUST GIVING DIRECTION AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT ON OUR BEACH IN IN, INSTEAD OF REFERENCING OTHER TOWNSHIP GIRL SCOUTS, PUT IN A PICK UP YOUR GARBAGE SIGN. AND I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCCINCT, IT'S TO THE POINT.

OKAY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY NUMBER SEVEN, BUT IT'S AN INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE MOTORBOAT DISCOURAGED. ENCOURAGE. BECAUSE IT DISCOURAGES LIKE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION. WHAT

[02:35:04]

OH, NO. SO I GOT THIS STAFF TO SEE WHETHER SWIMMING AREA CAN BE EXTENDED NORTH.

RECOMMENDATION IS TO POST INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE STATING NON-MOTORIZED MOTORIZED VEHICLE ACCESS ONLY AROUND BURROWS BEACH AND ENCOURAGING PARK USERS TO REPORT BOATING VIOLATIONS TO TOWN OF LAKE MILLS BOAT PATROL AND POTENTIALLY HAVING THEIR NUMBER ON THERE. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. CAN I JUST FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO CHANGE VEHICLE TO BOAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY VEHICLES. OKAY. YEAH. THERE WE GO. YEAH. OKAY. WE GOT MOTION.

WE GOT A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. TYLER, HI, MIKE I I I, I MOTION PASSES FIVE TO NOTHING. OKAY.

IT HAS BEEN A NIGHT. I HOPE WE DID. OKAY. VERIFY THIS DOES NOT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL NECESSARILY THIS RECOMMENDATION OR DOES IT? I THINK THE FIRST TIME. IT'S AN EXPENSE. YEAH. BUT. WE MIGHT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. WHY DON'T YOU THINK ABOUT IT? ALL RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE INTERESTED BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATIONS FOR. I THINK IT'S A SIMPLE PARK. I THINK OUR FIRST CONCERN WILL BE ENSURING THAT THE DNR HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE SITE, TO THE SIGNAGE IN THE AREA. AND REALLY, THIS IS GOING TO IT'S LIKE SIX MONTHS BEFORE THIS NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE IT'S NOT

[9. Announcements/Recommendations for Future Agenda.]

LET'S HEAR IT. SORRY, I'M TALKING TO YOU ON THE. SO I JUST KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF.

I KNOW WE HAVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. I KNOW WE HAVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMUNITY MEMBERS REACH OUT TO US. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE AN IDEA, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO RAISE TO DISCUSS. YOU KNOW, I THINK ENCOURAGING THAT HERE OF ANYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE COMMUNITY MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO ADD TO AN AGENDA IN THE FUTURE. IF WE HAVE ANYTHING. I YEAH, I THINK I MEAN, YOU'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO I THINK IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA TO MAKE IT BETTER, THE WORST THAT HAPPENS IS WE SAY, NO, I THINK THAT'S ENTIRELY ACCEPTABLE. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TOLD FOR A PARTICULAR ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. I'LL SHARE THAT. WE JUST MAKE IT PART OF WHAT WE DISCUSS. OH, I SEE, OKAY. I'VE BEEN TOLD WE'RE NOT GETTING A LAZY RIVER. IS THAT STILL CORRECT? ANYTHING ELSE? OTHERWISE, WE GET TO GO HOME AND OUR TWO HOURS AND 40

[10. Next Parks Board Meeting: Monday, December 14, 2026, at 6:00 PM]